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England deserves ICC attention

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posted Dec 15, 2008

wat eva they are there for the money.

england have no chance of winning anything in india.

england team is not mentally strong enough!!

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posted Dec 15, 2008

lol talk about making excuses for the pathetic last days performance.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Good suggestion...
Hope it inspires other countries to tour when their security is gauranteed.

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comment by rexpod (U8384780)

posted Dec 15, 2008

i would like to take this chance to salute the england cricket team and all the fans (English and Indian) who all have given the terrorist a bloody nose just by being at the stadium.

i am sure KP and the other english boys will give India a good fight in Mohali

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posted Dec 15, 2008

lol talk about making excuses for the pathetic last days performance.
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How many teams would have toured our country in such a situation.We should be glad that england did.And all I mean is such efforts have ensured cricket is the only winner.England deserves the praise.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Did the Aussies run off home after the bombings in england? No they didnt!

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Did the Aussies run off home after the bombings in england? No they didnt!
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When we talk about a appreciation trophy,it implies to every team,not just for England.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

England could quite easily have not gone to India, but they did (does anyone seriously think terrorists give a damn about Cricket anyway!!).

They went there to win a test series and have already failed miserably. That was an appalling last day and a half. The match was lost by lunch on day 4 and the England players body language said it all. They have no idea how to play spin and are clueless about taking the game to the opposition. Scoring 50ish runs in a session is a disgrace (even if the opposition is finding every excuse it can not to bowl to you). England have just told the world - the very small cricket world that is - it really doesn't matter what happens in the first 4 days of the match, you'll still beat us! If India had set England 300 odd to win the'd have been out for 100 by luchtime on day 5.

Maybe i'm being too harsh but at the root of all this is the fact that Flintoff aside(only for his bowling), no England player would get into the Indian side, or their U12's for that matter. This should be Panesar's last game for England and we now know for all the bravado, Pieterson is not a captain.

Dire Rugby, dire cricket. What next - England football team loses to Vatican City. I'm going to take up art and stop subjecting myself to this junk.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

U3551667 instead of being a WUM and spouting negative rubbish why not try to be a bigger man and applaud a brilliant test match that had everything in it.

For me an England supporter who got up for 5 early mornings, I witnessed a first class match which although we lost I feel happy with the result.

Lots of questions can be asked etc but we were beaten by a quite brilliant batting display in the 2nd innings.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Dire Rugby, dire cricket. What next - England football team loses to Vatican City. I'm going to take up art and stop subjecting myself to this junk.
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What a pity to find an Englishman desert his national cricket team,when the rest of the world applauds and idolizes Freddie and KP and some performances England have put up.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Bogratsteve (U12131697) - Im no WUM and i actually do think this was a Brilliant Test Match.

But what i dont agree with is people praising the England team for going to India, yea they could have stayed home but it was proved that it was safe for them 2 return. Y would the ICC give a team a trophy for turning up anyway.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Indeed, England need to be applauded for going ahead with this Test series despite the dreadful Mumbai attacks.

However, to talk about giving extra points on ICC tables etc is pure childish. The security men in Mumbai who fought off the terrorists - or for that matter security personnel of any country fighting against terrorists - do not get extra salary for doing their job.

Giving away such points would set a crazy precedent, and dare I say, may lead to all kinds of dirty politics of terror-affected-cricket in future.

Fortunately, this Test was played in truly great spirit and that is something that must be cheered. God forbid, had similar attacks happened in London during an England-India series, I'm sure the Indian team would not have gone back home in the first place and would have continued uninterrupted with the series on hand.

Let us just congratulate all the players and leave it at that.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Yes, they should be applauded for going out there at all.

No, they don't deserve a trophy or recognition.

The sad fact is, the horrors of Mumbai were an excuse waiting to happen if England lost. We lost because we showed zero ambition on day 4, we lost because we didn't have the bottle to win (barring a few individuals).

OK, Sachin batted with his usual brilliance, but Yuvi isn't a test batsman, we just made him look like one. Any test attack worth its salt should not have allowed Sehwag to tear us apart as he did.

England - we were rubbish in the last 2 days. But we are already 'taking the positives', we are 'proud of the efforts the lads showed'. Absolute nonsense.

My wife is a teaching assistant (bear with me on this...) and she is not allowed to describe a child having failed an exam/test, they have merely 'postponed or delayed their success'.

This is the same claptrap that Pietersen is spouting. We failed, because we lacked the stomach and the players to win.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

"Any test attack worth its salt should not have allowed Sehwag to tear us apart as he did"


This comment is a bit harsh considering his average against England is below 35 and against Australia, South Africa and others it is over 50.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

I don't think it is harsh. He toyed with the English 'attack' (I use the word avisedly) and played them like it was a 20/20. Yes, he was very good, but we allowed him to be. Poor bowling & poor captaincy.

His previous record against us is irrelevant. If we're relying on that, bring back Goughie, Hoggy and Gileo...

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posted Dec 15, 2008

What a pity to find an Englishman desert his national cricket team,when the rest of the world applauds and idolizes Freddie and KP and some performances England have put up.

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What absolute rubbish. The rest of the world idolises it's own (far better), players. They like England because we'll give them a good game (pulls in crowds and money), then fail miserably at the end and let them win when our frail nerves cracks. I am gutted because I love my rugby and cricket and believe we play to win. If we don't then put it in the theatre and call it art - definition of art, something that has no purpose other than being a piece of art.

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comment by prakr (U10880368)

posted Dec 15, 2008

To start with England was not totally crushed. Strauss and Collingwood played well.So has Flintoff.
This is a time when win or loose are less important than the future of the game.KPs English team has won in this respect.

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comment by prakr (U10880368)

posted Dec 15, 2008

The real Men of the matches are KP and Botham.

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comment by sachin (U2197536)

posted Dec 15, 2008

What a performance by Sehwag, Sachin and Yuuraj when it mattered most. England had the match in their kitty for three and a half day and i was begining to think that Indian team is not focussed in this test match.The best knock I have seen from Sachin.Sachin will cherish this knock and along with him the whole country.Sehwag and Yuvi were brilliant.Gambhir also provided a good support.Probably time for Dravid to retire in the next test.
As far as England is concerned they are themselves to blame to lose from a winning position.The team did not beleive that India could do it.The bowling was poor and looked like a club bowling except for Flintoff.good performance from Strauss,Collingwood. Monty really disappointed.Swan was good on his debut.Englshmen have won the hearts of Indian people by coming back to India.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Probably time for Dravid to retire in the next test.
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Instead of retirement I would like the BCCI to drop Dravid and ask him to make a comeback by performing in the national Ranji,Deodhar and Duleep trophies.That would be a better solution for Dravids woefull form.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

I don't understand all this fuss about 'our brave boys' going out to India in the current circumstances; they had absolutely nothing to fear, whereas the Indians had a huge national tragedy to overcome. Let's hear it for the Indians for producing such a devastating display against such a difficult background.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Tendulkar- LEGEND. THE greatest batsmen to have graced the game. Better than bradman purely because of the quality attacks he has faced. He has destroyed the following bowlers almost single handedly -
McGrath
Warne
Murali
Ambrose
Walsh
THE guy is a genius!

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Hi sotonpaul

I am a die hard Indian fan but did feel sad fpr Kevin as he is an excellent ambassador for England. He is not like Ponting who keeps looking for excuses.

This is the time for fans to support Kevin and his team rather than puting them down though i do agree that Paul Collingwood does not know how to play cricket.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

"Any test attack worth its salt should not have allowed Sehwag to tear us apart as he did"

My point about this quote is that it is patently obvious, judging by Sehwag's record against other countries,that he has gorged himself on other attacks and he never scores slowly.To single out England is unfair.(Versus Pakistan average 90, Sri Lanka average 50 this list goes on)

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comment by Maddog (U13414053)

posted Dec 15, 2008

firstly i don't think many people actually thought england would compete against India in these tests after the one dayers and the fact it is in India regardless of the political climate so the fact the test was relatively close even in that run chase a wicket or two even with less than a 100 runs to go would have made things very intresting. Secondly i think if the Indians had been forced to bowl at test match pace during the whole test match when they bowlers weren't bowling great england could have put on an extra 100 runs which would have changed everything so i think the fact that we have forced the indians on there own turf to resort to gamesmanship shows that we were very competitive real shame we didn't even get the draw thou tendulkar and KP were probably the difference between the two teams if our star batsman gets in england win he didn't they lost think maybe some bowling changes are needed as well i think having sidey would make big difference

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Even though england lost the match, they have tried their best instead of a mere surrender. Also they need to be praised for coming to India and playing in conditions when most people would have said no.

Lets hope for a more tougher fight from England in the second test and level the series.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

England may have been totally crushed by this run chase but then England should be praiased for their effort and willingness to tour India....


We are on about Cricket here and to be fair, every single member of the squad were happy to go back to India and play for their country, yes fair play to them, credit to the team for doing that.

How ever, with regards to the Cricket Match itself, what an exciting, and fun packed match to start the test series with..

Sehwag- Unpredicatable but performed well today.

Tendulkar- AMAZING, this artist is a performer in a league of his own.
The whole India squad played well today and full credit to England, I actually thought they would have taken the game after viewing the first inninngs.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Dear handy legend,

Tendulkar is certainly the best batsman of the modern game but to say he is better than Bradman is just nonsense and niaive. The statistics dont lie. There were some awesome bowlers in Bradmans time, the pitches were nowhere near as good to bat on as today, and Bradman never enjoyed the protection (helmets etc..) that allows modern players to play their shots without risk of permanent injury.
And have a closer look at Tendulkars record against McGrath - he struggled. But please, I agree, Tendulkar has now proven he is the best of the modern game alongside Lara and Richards.
But to say he is better than Bradman - thats just nonsense.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Trevor
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to compare Bradman and sachin would be stupid.Both played under different set of rules.The advantages and disadvantages would even out for both the eras.Whoever considers the conversion rate of centuries would rate Bradman as best and whoever gives importance to a consitent and long career spanning 2 decades would rate Sachin as the best.It would be wise to say Bradman was the great of the past era and sachin is the best of the modern era.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

Sachin and Don are greats from two different eras - let us not sully these greats with unwarranted comparison - when in doubt remember trevorbarker - Don said he reminded himself when he saw sachin - so, according to Don they are equals

No one other than sachin ahs come that clsoe - I mean your chewing gum swagger Richards and Lara - BTW, Aussies held racially offensive placards when Richatds clobbered the Aussies to defeat in Australia - sad, such a great player had to go through taunts at the hands of Aussies in Australia - but that was then - not sure how things are now in Aussies cricket grounds - much better i guess

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posted Dec 15, 2008

I'm forgetting myself. In my earlier post a had a bit of a go at England (deserved), but forgot to say well done India. Talented, determined, focused and with an ability to win. Looks like they are getting a fantastic team together. From lunch on day 4 they never looked like they were going to lose. Could England ever be this good? I hope so.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

If any of you get the chance, take a look at footage of Don Bradman. He looked as if everything around him was in slow motion.
He and Tendulkar are different players and both the best of their time. I agree, comparing them is silly. Ultimately though, history will come down on Bradmans side simply because of his incredible average and what he achieved.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

England's willingness to tour should not be used as a scapegoat. If they decide to tour they should be prepared to try to win. It doesn't mean the defeat was any less disappointing.

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posted Dec 15, 2008

English players will get there chance to play in IPL for being courageous. I wonder if that's the reason they went back in first place smiley

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posted Dec 15, 2008

I commend England to return and play cricket given the dastardly acts in Mumbai. Although India won the test match however I think the English team has demonstrated they have allowed Cricket to triump over terrorism. Thanks for returning back to the subcontinent. This gesture deflates terrorism more than any military action put together.

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comment by Sparkle (U6726749)

posted Dec 15, 2008

Yes it's great and courageous they went back in such circumstances. But please, don't let that become an excuse for negating any talk about cricket or the merits of a win or loss.

So I'll say it - Engalnd lost the match through inept bowling and inept captaincy - ridiculous run rate on day 4, negative tactics in the field etc.

Sorry, but I wanted to talk about cricket.

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posted Dec 16, 2008

Except for the Sehwag tsunami, everything else was normal cricket. For this time of the year it is a surprise that rains held off altogether. Let us hypothesise a bit. If the test had been rained out before Sehwag tornado, England would have been very agrieved but India would have felt lucky to have a certain defeat averted through heavenly inter vention. Had only the fifth day been washed out, both teams would have been claiming a cetain win missed due to weather interference. Shouldn't we be grateful to see a definite result that has raised the game to an as yet unknown level, cleanly without any controversy.
A rainout would possibly have depressed not just the two teams, their fans and the countries but a massive security effort would have been laid to waste.
And now it is the most fitting tribute to those who were laid low in the Mumbai mayhem. Tragedy can come in many shapes.

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posted Dec 16, 2008

Kudos to England for their efforts!! I hope this sets a precedence for England and other countries to tour Pakistan now which has also been a victim of terrorism. Surely now they won't be setting up double standards.

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posted Dec 16, 2008

i am an Indian and i truly enjoyed the win, which came as a fresh breeze and compassion after what happened nu Mumbai.

this test will go down in history as a remarkable one not just for it's result, but it is also for the England team came back after blasts. i would like to thank each and every cricketer and English man for doing this.

in 1947, you gave us hindhustan (India) by partitioning it. otherwise, there would have been bomb blasts every weekend. and now, you gave us some kind of compassion by risking your team. Thanks you all.

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posted Dec 16, 2008

Wow !!!It was sad that no one complimented and congratulated Kevin Pietersen and the English team and the England Cricket Board and their spectators who had come back. They just could have made excuses after they were drubbed 5-0, sulked and not come back after seeing the gory images on TV and after their kit was still in the Taj. You might all say that they were eyeing contracts in the IPL. Life is more important than money. Hats off to England for restoring our psyche to normal levels. Why haven't the BCCI given a fat purse to them also and also to the foreigners who died during the carnage?? Aren't they also human beings - doesn't matter if they are rich or not??? It would send a positive image of India to the entire world?? and you all can expect more foreign tourists also coming in due to that gesture..Hear that the foreigners have refused compensation because it is too low??? Hear that the govt is giving free tickets and accomodation for tourists who come for the 3rd time. What about the 1st and 2nd time??? Don't we know that 12 % of India's GDP revenues come from tourism?? What about other business and other contracts and concerts that have been affected ?? What about fear psychosis????

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posted Dec 16, 2008

On day 4, KP just assumed that he had a good lead (300+), and wanted to kill time so that the Indians won't have too many overs left to score. That explains the slow run rate.

Now, that was not a bad strategy given the highest successful chase has been in 200's. Don't blame KP for that.

What went wrong for England that no one expected, including the Indians, was the Sehwag blitz. That is one of the odd things that you don't count in your calculations.

So, I wouldn't be too critical of England. Once Indians sensed a kill, they used their resources wisely. A lead of 400 or even 425 wouldn't have mattered just like a lead of 387 or 350 wouldn't have mattered without Sehwag's "crazy" inning.

I'm sure KP and the rest of the teams will be ultra conservative from now on when playing against this Indian team as it knows no fear. The older guys play traditional and panic, but not the new ones (Example: Sri Lanka - last test and ODI series).

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posted Dec 16, 2008

comment by sportbloggeradi (U13679628)

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lol talk about making excuses for the pathetic last days performance.
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How many teams would have toured our country in such a situation.We should be glad that england did.And all I mean is such efforts have ensured cricket is the only winner.England deserves the praise.
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If that is the case then shouldn't India tour Pakistan???

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posted Dec 16, 2008

If that is the case then shouldn't India tour Pakistan???
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Are you crazy??As Sachin said cricket is lesser than what has happened here.The Indian citizens are sure,that the government will take the correct decision whenever it will involve Pakistan..Let things betqween India and Pakistan be resolved diplomatically.Cricket is being played normally with other countries.

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comment by Sparkle (U6726749)

posted Dec 16, 2008

'What went wrong for England that no one expected, including the Indians, was the Sehwag blitz. That is one of the odd things that you don't count in your calculations.'
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Are you joking? Anyone who knows anything about cricket would have been aware that Sehwag was capable of batting any total into oblivion! If England weren't expecting it then they are more foolish than I thought.

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posted Dec 16, 2008

"If that is the case then shouldn't India tour Pakistan??? "
The Pakistanis took all the trouble to come to India to kill the Indians (and the others). Now, you are asking the Indians to forget everything, go there, play cricket, and get butchered?

The India - Pakistan equation is different. India is not involved in terrorism. India doesn't send its citizens all over the world to kill innocent people. India' military and the intelligence wing are not mixed with the terrorists. So, please don't compare pakistan's case with India's.

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posted Dec 16, 2008

"Are you joking? Anyone who knows anything about cricket would have been aware that Sehwag was capable of batting any total into oblivion! If England weren't expecting it then they are more foolish than I thought."
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2 months ago, in Bangalore, Australia challenged India to make 298 runs in about 80 overs. Sehwag was present, and he was out for 6. No one criticized Australia as India didn't win. Had the same Sehwag / Gambhir combination scored 117 runs in 20 odd overs and made India win (or close to it), KP would have noticed it, and not taken the chance.

It is totally unfair to blame him for taking a bold step in trying to win as opposed to being a risk-averse like the Indians have been under the old leaderships.

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comment by Sparkle (U6726749)

posted Dec 16, 2008

There are many who thought he delayed the declaration too long, I'm not sure what was attacking about that.

BTW, didn't Sehwag score a triple ton in Madras once?

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