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The million dollar question

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posted Nov 1, 2008

You flatter yourself sir,that isn't a Million dollar at all.I'm sure i would find better value without going beyond the pound shop.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

I was referring to the strategies of the top 6 in Q3. I imagine they will somehow be important in deciding the destination of the WDC and WCC

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posted Nov 1, 2008

why can't it be a million pound (or Euro) question?

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posted Nov 1, 2008

I just looked at the weather forcast for tomorrow.... The race starts at 15.00 local time. Thunder storms are predicted for Sao Paulo at 15.00 and 16.00!!
See: http://www.accuweather.com/world-forecast-hourly.asp?partner=accuweather&locCode=SAM|BR|BR023|São%20Paulo&metric=1&hbhday=2&hbhhour=15

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posted Nov 1, 2008

why can't it be a million pound (or Euro) question?

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laugh I don't know lol, any way back on topic what do you reckon about the strategies

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posted Nov 1, 2008

won't matter. it'll rain and Massa will be toast

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posted Nov 1, 2008

it'll rain and Massa will be toast
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Especially if Hamilton and Mclaren have reverted to a wet setup and are fuelled heavy. I disagree with Ron Dennis about being super light ruining your strategy in case of a safety car. Alonso did that in Singapore and won.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

No wonder the the country is in this econmic state if people are trying to sell suggestions for these outrageous amounts.

Going off topic slightly.

Hamilton should let Alonso go with the Ferrari's and not entangled in their race,bide his time and past Trulli later at his leisure.As for expecting any help from Kovi,that hasn't happended all year and i would feel more comfortable with Pete Doherty & Amy Winehouse looking after my local Chemist.

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comment by Hywel (U1674519)

posted Nov 1, 2008

Ferrari had to go aggressive, if Massa had gone normal on fuel he may well now be 3rd behind Trulli and Kimi and couldnt risk that.

If Lewis stays out of trouble first corner and is sensible with regard tyres in changable weather then he should win.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

As for expecting any help from Kovi,that hasn't happended all year and i would feel more comfortable with Pete Doherty & Amy Winehouse looking after my local Chemist.
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laugh
I can't help but think Vettel may end up at Mclaren at the behest of Mercedes wanting a german driver. Rosberg and Vettel may hav a top drive in 2010 if Heikki doesn't start producing next year.

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comment by acftus (U8561669)

posted Nov 1, 2008

The problem for Lewis is for sure the first corner with Fernando right behind him. Has Alonso got a big enough grudge against Mclaren to ruin Hamilton's race?

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posted Nov 1, 2008

The problem for Lewis is for sure the first corner with Fernando right behind him. Has Alonso got a big enough grudge against Mclaren to ruin Hamilton's race?
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Surely Heikki can come across Alonso right from the start and give Hamilton some breathing space.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

I suppose Mclaren were always going to give Kovi the benefit of the doubt and re-sign him for next year.However another year like this year and he'll be gone..It's hardly been a honeymoon period has it?,unless your honeymoon is akin to spending 2 weeks in a bedsit in Runcorn with a mail order bride that turns out to have the same genetalia as yourself albeit slighty bigger.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

I think massa is light and will run the softs first.

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comment by Arkimsa (U3871417)

posted Nov 1, 2008

"why can't it be a million pound (or Euro) question?"...

ha..ha..ha..nothing like a little humor to ease the anxiety!!

"Hamilton should let Alonso go with the Ferrari's and not entangled in their race,bide his time and past Trulli later at his leisure"

couldn't agree more!!

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posted Nov 1, 2008

i think alonsos previous comments are in the same category as most of his comments, empty gestures. Im sure the people paying his wages are leaving him in no doubt as to what his priorities are.

I dont think he will try anything to effect lewis' race as he has already greatly damaged his career, and taking lewis out after everything he has said would pretty much be career over as he would just be viewed as a loose cannon.

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comment by acftus (U8561669)

posted Nov 1, 2008

Fernando will be too quick off the mark for Kovi which will cause potential problems. Hope Kovi has a decent race - Lewis needs his help!

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posted Nov 1, 2008

Hamilton should let Alonso go with the Ferrari's and not entangled in their race,bide his time and past Trulli later at his leisure"
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What if it rains will Massa be confident being the 1st man to disturb the water, or will he cautious like in Monza and Spa. Will Silverstone be in his mind, what if Kimi fancies a brake test at the first few corners,

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posted Nov 1, 2008

Or will Kimi do what Schumacher did for Irvine in Suzuka in 99 and not give a toss.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

Or will Kimi do what Schumacher did for Irvine in Suzuka in 99 and not give a toss.

Whilst that sort of atitude would be welcome.Kimi has alot more respect for his teammate and gratitude for rolling over for him last year,coupled with the fact that the WCC isn't clinched yet they'll be under strict orders to finish 1,2 with Massa winning in front out his own.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

It sure seems like a risky strategy to have Hamilton heavy off the start. Surrounded by two Ferraris, Trulli (Italian) and Alonso is not quite the place that I’d like to be in if I were Lewis… and to top it off, starting from the outside.

The first corner could decide the WDC, be it by Hamilton over cooking it or by getting tangled up with another driver. Lewis needs to keep his head in to the S’s, keep out of trouble and then assess the situation from there.

I honestly believe that Kimi and Fernando will not purposefully aim to take out Lewis, Kimi just doesn’t seem the type of driver to pull such a stunt and Fernando isn’t stupid. He may still have an axe to grind with Ron Dennis, but he knows that his career and team commitments are more important than settling a score, though I do believe that the FIA should make it clear that any interference with the outcome of the championship will not be tolerated, be it a move against Hamilton or Massa. Threatening super license revocation should be enough to keep it clean.

Whatever the outcome tomorrow… I just hope it’s a clean fight. Lets finish the season on a high and see the new champion crowned without controversy.

May the best man win. smiley

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comment by Jemmo (U4258961)

posted Nov 1, 2008

Let's just hope no-one gets silly and does what Schumacher did to both Hill ('94) and Villeneuve ('97}in the last rounds of the championships.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

Actually... scratch that. he'll be on the grubby side. Getting myself all confuddled. smiley

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posted Nov 1, 2008

He's in a solid position, no need to get involved with the Ferrari's.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

lewis and massa are racing two different races, felipe is racing his own race, providing he finishes he will win, lewis knows this, Trulli is the key to the title, its what he does from the start that matters. does he slow everybpdy up and cause a pile up, do people get [ast him? or does everybpdy get buy him. he is light so could caus truble to lewis early on if he gets stuck by him. lewis hopefully to scrape the title. massa aint a champion, he aint got the minerals, evern if he does win the title it will be farcical.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

jemmothestonk - Don't forget the most blatant crash in F1 history- what Senna did to Prost in 1990. Schumacher, the greatest driver of all-time, is the 7-time world champion get over it smiley

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comment by nibs (U13128545)

posted Nov 1, 2008

ARE 5 TENTHS ENOUGH OR WANT SOME MORE?

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comment by AWknows (U8134727)

posted Nov 1, 2008

I was hoping lewis to get on the 2nd row which he did, let the Ferraris go. Just stay out of trouble and Hamilton will be WDC.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

Blasos
Prost did to Senna 1989..Senna never needed his team-mates contracted to be subservient or resort to blatant and sometimes surreptitious cheating...but maybe on another post or for now accept that some learned people will not have Schumi in the highest of regard !

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posted Nov 1, 2008

Can't stave off the feeling that Lewis is going to throw it away tomorrow. My head's telling me he shouldn't though.

Lewis will screw up or have a mechanical problem and crash out the points. Then Massa will spin in the rain, finish 3rd and give Lewis the WC.

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comment by saintex (U3869878)

posted Nov 1, 2008

Kimi qualifying ahead of Hamilton is a very serious mistake by McLaren. If Kimi gets off and holds of Lewis he's going to make it very difficult for Hamilton to keep pace. It obviously can keep the field bunched up until the stops and McLaren will have to be on their game. I also think Hamilton is making a huge mistake by even thinking that he just has to make sure to the bring the car home - it's that kind of thinking that gets racing drivers in trouble. He needs to drive hard. Good luck to all.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

hamilton has put himself in a dangerous position on the grid. Infront of Alonso and beside raikkonen.

but he should still win the championship if not the race. Alonso's renault is quick yet unreliable, both massa and trulli are very lightly fuelled so all hamilton has to do is finish.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

I think Hamilton will be on a one stop anyway. It would make sense, he could afford to be 20odd seconds behind and still come home easily.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

"FIA should make it clear that any interference with the outcome of the championship will not be tolerated"
Umm, so you don't want "racing?" 'Cause you know, "racing" might interfere with "the championship." I pitty you poor, socialist Europeans and your love of bureaucracy and rules. Here's something so British; legal threats against naughty words.

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Spectacularsteve. I think you may have misunderstood my point. I hate bureaucracy as much as the next man, and this year in F1 it has served only to harm the spirit of racing. My point is that I want to see ‘Racing’, I want it to be a race for the championship and not a first corner T-bone from either side.

I’m shouting for Lewis, and if he loses the championship while racing then I can live with it. I cannot live wish Massa being T-boned by Kovi or Lewis getting punted by Kimi or Fernando. Either of those scenarios would ruin it for me personally.

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comment by nibs (U13128545)

posted Nov 1, 2008

comment by Appy Ammer (U1683086)
posted Just Now

"I think Hamilton will be on a one stop anyway. It would make sense, he could afford to be 20odd seconds behind and still come home easily."


LOL man are you a professional comedian? HAMILTON FOR MORE THAN 30 LAPS ON THE SAME SET OF TYRES AND ONE OF THEM SOFT?

Haaaaaaahahaha plz stop it everyone I cannot any more

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comment by nibs (U13128545)

posted Nov 1, 2008

"Here's something so British; legal threats against naughty words."


Say that again mate. Here, have a look at that:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71856

What a surprise, the pathetic nanny state island acts again. Silencing those who say the words they don't want to hear.

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posted Nov 1, 2008


Hey Nikos, you come across as really hating Hamilton. I was wondering why you seem to be so against him. What is it exactly that you don’t like about him?

You have to admit that he’s brought some spectacular moments to F1… be them amazing overtaking moves or out and out cockups.

It’s ok to cheer for a particular driver and still have an objective of their opposition. Don’t most if not all of the divers deserve our respect? They risk their lives four our enjoyment after all.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

Love that last comment by sgtbhaji. Got to be the funniest of the week. They risk their lives for money and glory sgt. and for that, they deserve our appreciation for their talent, nothing else.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

The top two knocking each other out for the Championship title is very much part of F1 history! However I for one was happy thinking those days finished with Schumachers retirement. I do believe Schumi was a great driver and a great racer but despite his numerous WDC titles I still find it a little hard to say he was a great champion.

Hamilton is the only driver that can benefit by making such a move. If he takes himself out in the process of taking Massa out then he bags the big win. Massa on the other hand can't risk not finishing. I think Hamilton has the personality (or copycat personality) to do this. It would be a great shame if anything like that did happen. F1 is sometimes viewed as farcical. I don't want to see the sport losing anymore face (and Hamilton being part of it). We can no longer have the Formula One WDC being decided in the same manner as stock car races.

I don't think any other drivers will be thinking negatively. When I say other drivers I am thinking in particular of Kimi and Alonso. It is conceivable that Alonso and Raikkonen will put a lot of pressure on Hamilton. Given Hammies track record in those situations it is fair to say it would be a decent ploy. I don't think that either of them will go out their way to make sure Hamilton doesn't finish but they will certainly want to impede his way to the required points position.

Anyway, say for example Kimi did put Hamilton out. Couldn't it be seen for revenge Hamilton taking out Kimi in the pits in one race, illegally using a chicane in another and then taking him out in the first corner in another! I don't see it, I just bring it up as food for thought thats all.

I also don't go along with Ron Dennis's statements about tactics. It depends on exactly which point in the race a safety car or rain appears who benefits. Neither of these are accurately predictable. There is surely no way to come up with a strategy to deal with both of those possibilities. It would be speculative at best.

Also there seems to be a lot of cars running light. If McLaren have Hamiltons car heavy that would make McLarens strategy against the norm and therefore the strategy most risky. Unless he knows something every other team doesn't!

I am not sure that either of the two potential winners are worthwhile champions. They are both able to put in great drives but neither are great racers. Thats the reason the season is going down to the wire and the reason the outcome is so unpredictable.

However I do hope for a good, exciting and fair race that puts a smile on my face and convinces me that whoever is victorious deserves the WDC.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

Okay... I just came back and read that. Edited for errors. I blame it on the booze smiley



Hey Nikos, you come across as really hating Hamilton. I was wondering why you seem to be so against him. What is it exactly that you don’t like about him?

You have to admit that he’s brought some spectacular moments to F1… be them amazing overtaking moves or out and out cockups.

It’s ok to cheer for a particular driver and still have an objective view of their opposition. Don’t most if not all of the divers deserve our respect? They risk their lives for our enjoyment after all.

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comment by P44cka (U9177670)

posted Nov 1, 2008

I'm with Nikos, the guy is a loser, arrogant and will never be a team player! He sits very nicely with MacCheaters.

Free Barabas!

Come on the Reds!

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posted Nov 1, 2008

lol... yer right Charles. But which ever way you cut it, they’re entertainers. smiley

theoutlaw, if Hamilton were to take out Massa then I would certainly change my opinion of him. It’s possible that he could, but I sincerely believe that he wouldn’t pull a move like that if the opportunity were presented, nor do I believe the other key players would.

I do disagree with your comments on a ‘worthwhile’ champions though. Whoever wins scored the most points despite mistakes, penalties and what not and thus deserves the title.

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comment by nibs (U13128545)

posted Nov 1, 2008

It has to be noted than in his first run in Q3 the man who aspires to become champion tomorrow -and thinks he deserves it- burnt his tyres on his outlap, setting his fastest sector 3 in the process. Expectedly the tyres gave him the middle finger on the course of the flying lap. On the second run he did the opposite, he overcompensated with a 5s slower middle sector, again with the same results.

That's after not warming up his brakes enough at Monza in Q2, and then blaming the weather or the team for not getting through.

Yet another proof that the guy is not even capable of thinking about the basics when he's behind the steering wheel.

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posted Nov 1, 2008

wouldn't it be excellent, cat and mouse, Felipe and Lewis avoiding each other, that's how to get viewing figures up

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posted Nov 1, 2008

Ive read some comments here, and it seems the Pro-Hamilton lot seem to be forgetting something.
Yes, rain is a big deal and Felipe is not great in the rain.
However, if the rain comes in the middle of the race, Kimi will have held lewis up already, Felipe will have more than a pit stop to himself over lewis.
This will then lead to lewis getting frustrated behind Kimi, and taking both drivers out, from then on Felipe will only have to keep his car on the straight and narrow and he will be World Champion smiley

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comment by P44cka (U9177670)

posted Nov 1, 2008

Who's the rat?

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posted Nov 1, 2008

"I am not sure that either of the two potential winners are worthwhile champions. They are both able to put in great drives but neither are great racers."

Duh...what you on about?

If they are not worthwhile champions, just what are they? Hamilton has hit the sport running...he has been a ray of sunshine in this hopeless season of errors and cockups by all and sundry. You may not like him, I reserve judgement on whether I do, but you have to admire him. Massa...well I just love the guy...sadly he drives a bright red car that, to many, myself included, signifies cheating. If he drove for anybody else I would follow him to the grave, the guy is quick, has the heart and passion needed to do whats wanted to win this title, but, so has Hamilton!

Now, as I am English, I want to err on the side of Hamilton...thats me being passionate about my country and my kin. If I was a bigot or a racist...which I am definately not, then Hamilton would be out of the window for me.

Unfortunately, there are people on this forum who cannot be impartial or non racist. They are not true lovers of the sport...just warmongers and wasters...

Keep politics/racism/religion out of sport and do us all a favour!
(And if we could get rid of Bernie and max at the same time...)

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posted Nov 1, 2008

who you reckon?

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posted Nov 1, 2008

If any of you have read my previous posts you'll see that I have seriously been knocking on Hamilton. As we approach the last race of the season there are a few things I want to say about Hamilton and McLaren:
The reason I don't like Hamilton has NOTHING to do with his driving abilities. I don't like him because he is arrogant. He came into F1 and was given the keys to the best car on the circuit. He compares himself to Senna, but yet Senna had to work through the ranks and prove himself in F1 by driving inferior cars and still winning. I swear, everytime Hamilton mentions Senna, I cringe. I don't like the way the British media has made Hamilton to be best thing since sliced bread. I hate the way McLaren treated a 2 time world champion (it was clearly a british vs the spaniard thing).
So there it is, I like other drivers on the track for now.
However I do want to say that way the spanish have been outwardly racist towards LH is totaly appauling it's a disgrace, and I'm sure LH has had to deal with this probably all his life. I think Ecclestone should remove the Spanish GP from the list. I live in Spain and I am french, but I have to say the spanish in catalunya are some of the most racist people I have ever met. I do feel bad for LH or any other person of different ethnicity to have to deal with this sort of attitude.

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