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My all-time Scarlets XV

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posted Oct 19, 2008

Erthygyl da iawn Huw excellent article.

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posted Oct 20, 2008

Many a cold wet Wednesday evening was spent with my dad taking me down to see Ebbw at Stradey. The only win I can recall was the time Denzil Williams seemed to take on the Llanelli pack single handed and that included giving Barry Llewellyn a very torrid time indeed.

Anyway, best of luck at the new stadium and let's hope those glory days return very soon.

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posted Oct 20, 2008

Pretty fair, but surely John Davies should be wearing 3?

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comment by paul (U10889407)

posted Oct 20, 2008

good deflection on the current side ,stop looking back at the past, never seen so many turks with bad necks

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posted Oct 20, 2008

Little bit surprised not to see Ray Gravell on there.

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posted Oct 20, 2008

Fantastic article.... I remember growing up watching the Llanelli team of the 80's...

where on earth is Lawrence Delaney, Anthony Buchanon, Phil May, and all of the Davies, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Phil at no. 8, Jonathon at 10, Carwyn at 11, Nigel at 12 and how many others ;-)

And since being in Hampshire I even recall the great Sandown & Shanklin scrum half Jonathon Griffiths formerly of Llanelli!

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posted Oct 20, 2008

I would replace Lewis with Grav and Barry with Ricky Evans otherwise hard to choose just one XV. How about your selection versus a Stardey XV Challengers?

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posted Oct 20, 2008

the donkey to end all donkey's, Mr Wayne Proctor here..... where am i?

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posted Oct 20, 2008

On talent,rather than length of club service, surely number 10 has to be Barry John

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posted Oct 20, 2008

Machyns
Never felt the need or have been bothered to reply to some of the tripe you write but this post IS!! for reminicing and looking back at the history of our great club so go away to another site and fester <applause>

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posted Oct 20, 2008

I was 4th year at Coedcae when Phil May entered the sports hall and it was announced he was our PE teacher. You could have heard a pin drop and from then on Stradey was a regular spot, also biggest day of my rugby career U14's playing for Furnace against Llanelli U14's and we were allowed to play on the hallowed turf.
Plyers for me John Davies clubmann through and through(I reckon could still do well today), Carwyn James, and also Phil May
<brokenheart><cheers>
How about

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posted Oct 20, 2008

Since we also have potentially the end of Cardiff Arms Park this season, let think what team Cardiff would put out to compete with this fantastic Llanelli team.

Full back has never been a huge strength at Cardiff (at least in the past 50 years!) so we'll need to go back to Frank Trott in the early 50s

So many to choose from in the three-quarters, especially from the early part of the 20th century, but staying relatively modern....Gerald Davies, Bleddyn Williams, Jack Matthews and Maurice Richards...despite my soft spot for Pat Daniels and Mike Murphy in the centre.

Half-backs: Barry John and Gareth Edwards. Game over! And that means leaving out Cliff Morgan and Terry Holmes

Front row: Gethin Jenkins, Alan Phillips and Ian Eidman

Second Row: Keith Rowlands and Robert Norster (although hard to leave out such a servant as Ian Robinson)

Back Row: Martyn Williams, John Scott and John Hickey (the best uncapped forward ever to play in Wales), and that leaves out Stuart Lane, Gwyn Jones and Dai Hayward.

What would be really interesting would be teams from both clubs that did not win a cap.

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posted Oct 20, 2008

Yes very good, but no mention of the number nine of 1972, the link behind the scrum and the backs, the one and only "Chico"(Ray Hopkins).You could say Llanelli have had better scrum halfs but would they have won NAW-TRI without the cheeky chappy?

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comment by paul (U10889407)

posted Oct 20, 2008

the reason for my comment,is that far too many prople in llanelli are focusing on the past , rather than getting behind the new venture ie parc y stradey

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comment by john (U2521010)

posted Oct 20, 2008

i'd find it hard to select the best xv as there are to many great players to compare with. However the fullback that played against NZ 9-3 Roger Thomas has always amazed me by the lack of recognition he got. I was only a young lad going to stradey but his pace and the lines he run and a dazzling sidestep always excited me, in my eyes he was the first true running fullback and had it not been for the more complete game of JPR i think he would have played for wales?

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posted Oct 20, 2008

15. Terry Davies
14. Ieuan Evans
13. Lewis Jones
12. Albert Jenkins
11. Terry Price
10. Phil Bennett
9. Dwayne Peel
1. Barry Llewylln
2. Norman Gale
3. Brian Butler
4. R H Williams
5. Delme Thomas CPT
6. Derek Quinell
7. Gareth Jenkins
8. Scott Quinell

I know Terry Price is out of position, but we can never over look him. The same for Lewis Jones, if these men hadn't have gone north they would have been in the Gareth Edwards and Barry John league. The others are pretty straight forward, openside flanker is an interesting position. I've gone for Gareth Jenkins, the way he played againest NZ, he took them on himself at the tender age of 18, an ironman!!! I almost went for Dave Hodges the USA flanker, I thought he was one of the most underated players ever.

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posted Oct 21, 2008

Selwyn Williams, the scrum half is surely worth a mention.

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posted Oct 21, 2008

Amen. Not just a great Center but a giant amongst men, Cymro glan.

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posted Oct 21, 2008

Dave Hodges- now there's an underrated player

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posted Oct 21, 2008

"the reason for my comment,is that far too many prople in llanelli are focusing on the past , rather than getting behind the new venture ie parc y stradey"

Bit of a 10-watt bulb aren't we Machyns, there's been rugby played Stradey Park since 1879, without the legacy of over 100 years of rugby at the club, the new Parc Y Stradey really would struggle. No harm in looking back as the end of one era approaches - even you can see that can't you - especially on a thread asking people for an 'all-time' team… dew, dew…

Mark Perego for me…

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posted Oct 21, 2008

My Scarlets XV since being a supporter since 1981.

15 Martin Gravelle
14 Ieuan Evans
13 Ray Gravell
12 Regan King
11 Garan Evans
10 Gary Pearce
9 Jonathan Griffiths
1 Ricky Evans
2 Dai Fox
3 Laurence Delaney
4 Phil May
5 Russell Cornelious
6 Mark Perego
8 Dave Hodges
7 Lyn Jones

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posted Oct 21, 2008

my team of the last 10-12 (as i was born in 87) would be:

15 M Stodard
14 I Evans
13 M Watkins
12 R King
11 W Proctor
10 S Jones
9 M Phillips
1 M Madden
2 R Mcbryde
3 J Davies
4 M Voyle
5 C Wyatt
6 D Hodges
7 I Boobyer
8 S Quinell

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posted Oct 22, 2008

Many outstanding centre threequarters mentioned, but no Nigel Davies. Perhaps being a Scarlets coach will be his claim to fame!!
;)

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posted Oct 22, 2008

Not bad Huw, but I would include Tommy David - some of his tackles against the All Blacks in 1972 lifted the team - a man with what we should say "bravado" - I wish some of the present squad had such bravado. And yes Dennis Thomas - this lanky figure epitomised what a a scarlet should be - he gave it his all. And for some of the younger readers - moving from Stradey - bad move. What are they going to do in three years time if the money runs out again - Selling your history for a few houses - shame - mind you with this credit crunch they will all be empty. Its like selling your soul for a few bucks.

Ray Jones
Swansea (originally from Ammanford)

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comment by billyb (U8522685)

posted Oct 23, 2008

Bit off on a tangent here, but its not just (rugby) football here that has memories for me, I finished 3rd overall and first junior in Stradeys car park in a duathlon back in the 90's, so I have different reasons to lament the loss of the place.

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posted Oct 23, 2008

First went to Stradey in 1978. My all time team
15. I Jones
14. I Evans
13. R Gravell
12. R King
11. C Davies
10. G Pearce
9. R Moon
1. A Buchanan
2. R Mcbryde
3. L Delaney
4. P Davies
5. M Voyle
6. E Lewis
7. M Perego
8. S Quinnell

Subs
J Davies, J Griffiths, D Fox, R Evans, P May, D Hodges, S Oag.

Spot the error! Name that tune!

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posted Oct 23, 2008

Its interesting that by looking at the different selections you could take a stab at guessing the age of the poster. Anyway there could be many combinations and all would be worthy. It would be impossible to remember all the great players that have represented OLD SOSPAN.
I'm an Osprey and a Jack Osprey at that and I would like to take this opportunity to thank all associated with the club for the many wonderful and some not quite so.... experiences that we have all had at Stradey over many years. And pob lwc am y dyfodol yn eich gartre newydd. ;-)

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comment by S.Wales (U6055493)

posted Oct 23, 2008

Jonathan Davies has to be in for me.

I would give him the No.14 shirt and tell him he's got a free role in attack.

I also think that Emyr Lewis is under-rated. I would have him on the blind-side.

Lewis Jones at full-back for me with Regan King in the centre.

So my back line would be 15. L.Jones 14. J.Davies 13. R.King 12. A.Jenkins 11. J.J.Williams 10. Barry John 9. D.Peel

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posted Oct 23, 2008

As a kid in the late 1960s up to present day supporter team I would personally pick i.e. of players I have actually seen playing would be:-

15 Martin Gravelle 14 Ieuan Evans 13 R Gravell 12 R Bergiers 11 Andy Hill 10 P Bennett 9 S Williams 8 Emyr Lewis 7 Lyn Jones 6 M Perego
5 P May 4 Delme Thomas (Capt) 3 John Davies 2 R Macbride 1 B Llewellyn

Excellent article by Huw Llewellyn Davies I reject his assertion about Andy Hill totally though -it was Wales' great loss he was never capped and I am pretty adamant with his prolific long range kicking ability had he played Wales would actually have beaten a top touring international side (something they never did in my lifetime in the old Cardiff Arms Park.)
New Zealand in the 70s and South Africa in 1969 (not drawn it ). Also he is the top try scorer for Llanelli by some great distance. Unlike the internationals he never had decent recognition either by his club, country or BBC Wales. I salute him.
Selwyn Williams at his peak was better than D. Peel it is just a fact Gareth Edwards was better than both. The 1992 Llanelli Back row was outstanding and while individually they may have been better players (e.g both Quinnells)this back row unit acted as a real Team Backrow and was the best for that season I have ever seen acting as a unit even worldwide.In 1992 we won everything and beat the then World Champions. The All Blacks were a famous formidable side in 1972 but they certainly in my opinion were not real world champions at the time(having been beaten by Carwyn's Lions in previous year).
Phil May deserves to be in side because he played really hard, well and long and captained brillantly on occassions eg turning around a Fiji 20 odd point start in a touring match. Bennett is the best outside half that has ever walked this planet. Just look at the 1974 Lions Tour videos

Many numerous other great players and great club servants e.g. Hefin Jenkins, Roy Maithias, Roy Thomas, T.Crocker, G Jenkins, P Davies, J Davies, G Pearce, D Hodges, L Delaney, R Moon, W Proctor, J.J Williams the John Brothers (especially Alan and Clive!), Gwyn Ashby etc etc.

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posted Oct 24, 2008

Am unwaith, Huw, rwy'n cytuno a (bron) bob dewis!

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posted Oct 24, 2008

As a Cardiff RFC and BLues support I DONT have fond memories of the ground. I've had warmer welcomes at an ice packing factory. The worse incident was the same time that muppet gave Jonah Lumo a hard time. I know I chose to support to least popular teams in wales but sheesh.

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posted Oct 24, 2008

Please correct me if Im wrong...I was under the impression that the last Scarlets game at Strady had already been played (against Harlequins).

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posted Oct 24, 2008

My fondest memory is still to come. When it closes.

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posted Oct 24, 2008

ahem..it seems to have escaped everyone's attention but the side playing tonite - the llanelli scarlets region - have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the llanelli rfc who defeated the all blacks in 1972!

the llanelli rfc club still exists and played its last game at stradey on saturday - the llanelli scarlets are a entirely different entity so why trot out all the old lanelli rfc greats at the end of a game played by a regional team that has no connection with them?

Or does tonite let that old familiar cat out of the bag ie 3 of the so called regions in wales are nothing more than llanelli, cardiff and newport and represent nothing outside those areas?

Interestingly the architect of this pathetic charade - which at a stroke deprived whole areas of wales of first class rugby - is now back in wales, seemingly intent on bringing about the resignation of our grand slam winning coach!

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posted Oct 24, 2008

Awyrgylch anhygoel heno gyda'r canu i gyd. Gwych!

Huw Llewelyn Davies - Sylwebydd gorau'r byd :)

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posted Oct 24, 2008

What no Deacon Manu???

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posted Oct 27, 2008

No Huw Williams Jones?? No Matt Cardey and the fact theat Andrew Lamerton doens't get a mention is just Disgusting!

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posted Oct 27, 2008

good idea, but surely the club/region has so much history, its too brief a mention of many, rather the sport , the players ( all) the history and the tradition are more important, these are the things that will build the new era.
No reason that those things are left behind,memories are just that, after all we all have families, but when we move house ? we dont lose our families ?

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comment by S.Wales (U6055493)

posted Oct 28, 2008

Am I the only one to have Jonathan Davies in the team. Have you seen the tries he scored in his career ? This is all pig-headedness beacause he went to Rugby League.

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posted Oct 29, 2008

I am very Pleased that you have included Albert Jenkins in your list of scarlets greats. He is my Great Grandfather and the whole family are so proud of his skills as a player and the fact that he is still discussed to this day. I went to the last match in the strade and it brought a tear to my eye.

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posted Oct 29, 2008

My Uncle Gordon used to be hairdresser to Phil Bennett and Norman Gale...two legends

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posted Oct 31, 2008

John Davies should have a mention in that 3 shirt after the grat few years he played at stradey

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comment by S.Wales (U6055493)

posted Oct 31, 2008

John Davies ? You must be from around Cardigan/Crymych area. He played a lot for them, but he's must be the most over-rated prop in the history of British rugby.

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