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posted Sep 15, 2008

All great points...answer to all of them I dont know! im really worried about the future of my club no one or nothing goes right...i cant dsecide whether ashley is a cheap skate and was just rubbiosh at runnign the club and communicating or has no interest and his intention was to keep the club on a sound financial footing ready to sell it on

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Some great points you raise there. I agree with the 4th particularly, all of our signings have been brilliant so far.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Can i just say, i wish Liverpool owners would release a similar statement! Im mega annoyed, surely it is obvious that they are not wanted.. Jesus chris i know you guys are toon fans but did you watch our game with United, when the owner sung along to our tune? he was two words behind everyone else!!! clearly doesnt love the club as much as he says.
Sell now!!!!

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comment by U9563463

posted Sep 15, 2008

By all accounts it would seem that Geordies are xenophobic and do not want an owner who is not from Newcastle. This will therefore scare off potential buyers. If you can't cope with a Londoner owning you, there is little chance a Russian or Sheikh is going to come in!

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comment by Djbungo (U2087851)

posted Sep 15, 2008

1. Because it was rushed through and not done in a proffessional manner (or was hidden to aid the sale)

2. This would have been a quick turn around on original plans due to the excessive debt and poor finances.

3. As has happened quite frequently, communication has failed and the goals and ways to get them seem to be in constant flux.

4. Basically a hated player used as a scape-goat. The signings have been looking very good but the more upset fans needed someone to blame for Keegan leaving...

5. Mainly as only a few seasons ago we were up competing with the top clubs, in the Champions League and doing well and through mismanagement and bad running of the club we have had a huge decline and some fans can't seem to understand how we could go from top to bottom so quickly without going the other way equally so.

6. Communication is the key. Or lack of it at least. Not since Chris Mort left have the fans been 'kept in the loop' and this is a huge part of the problem at the moment - fans getting information from SSN is never a good thing.

7. Could well be on the final slide if nothing is done soon. Can easily see the likes of Owen, Given, Martins, Butt and maybe even Taylor jumping ship sooner rather than later. Let's put it this way, if things don't improve relegation is a distinct possibility this season!

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posted Sep 15, 2008

I found Newcastle Fans protest sickening. This is a man who has ploughed millions into a club, he has every right to run the club how he sees fit. There aren't many owners who watch the matches in the stands with other fans?? These protesters should be ashamed of themselves

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comment by Tatloaf (U1591557)

posted Sep 15, 2008

Totally agree with you on the Wise front. Wise/Jimenez/scouts seem to have purchased a few very good looking players (early days tho)Colocini/Gutierrez/Xisco as opposed to some of the dog**** that has turned out in Newcastle strips over the last 10 years earning stupid money Bowyer/Barton/Cacapa/several useless centre backs.

Im not a Newcastle fan but maybe this was the beginning of a better Newcastle and maybe (I think definitely) you will be better off WITHOUT Keegan. Keegan had a go when Newcastle were well equiped to play with the big boys and he failed, why will suddenly he achieve trophies now? Mike Ashley has made a few mistakes since he took over, none bigger then hiring Kevin Keegan.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Everyone is very clear, the owners, the players, their agents, football is a business...

Expcept the fans, who aren't happy to stand by and become mere customers.

That is what lies at the heart of the unrest at Newcastle, Liverpool, Man Utd and the rest.

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comment by redd55 (U8388257)

posted Sep 15, 2008

obviously in it for the money and not genuinely concerned for the club at all so using this as the excuse he needs to pull out and sell!

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comment by Elwis (U7046959)

posted Sep 15, 2008

And Abu Dhabi is full of Man City fans? Funny no complaints there about the owner not being from Manchester!

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posted Sep 15, 2008

"I found Newcastle Fans protest sickening. This is a man who has ploughed millions into a club, he has every right to run the club how he sees fit. There aren't many owners who watch the matches in the stands with other fans?? These protesters should be ashamed of themselves"

Perhaps if he'd been more open and explained he intended to run the club with a director of football from the start with the fans and Keegan.

He's also hidden the fact the club has long been for sale and he put all the players up for sale.

He may always enjoyed his football but to believe he didn't always see Newcastle as a opportunity to make a quick buck is naive.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

I can't blame all the Toon fans but it seems the majority want Ashley out, and for all the wrong reasons.

He's trying to sort the club out financially, and the worst thing he did was get a man who hasn't been interested in football for 3yrs to organise the team. They probably brought Wise in when they realised he didn't have a clue what he was doing.

Ashley should've been given more time to shore the ship up. Instead Newcastle is gonna be sold down the river to some investors looking for a return (expect increases in your tickets...) and the Toon Barmy are gonna be protesting about the amount of debt the club has and how interest payments are ridiculous, and every summer moaning about the lack of signed players. But at least you got Ashley out eh.... Well done you, pats on back all round...

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Iv wanted to say all weekend but kept missing the opening times that: Mike Ashley is the sort of chairman any club would like. He comes accross as a sensible guy that still has passion for the club and he's from the area.
Newcastle fans have come out looking like idiots. Why did you want to keep Keegan, a contender for most tactically inept maager in the premiership I have no idea. The guy done you a favour by going and would have done you more of a favour by never coming back.
In my opinion, I think he left out of the embarrassment of running out of ideas yet again. Why else did he want to throw yet more money at the problem?
I have a hell of a lot of sympathy for Ashley and hope he get's the last laugh in this scenario.

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comment by Monzon (U10890540)

posted Sep 15, 2008

If Dennis Wise's job is to identify and bring in new players then he is doing a good job so far: Colocinni and Gutierrez look fantastic signings! I think the `Messiah' wanted Beckham and Lampard didnt he???

I like Geordies and Newcastle is a nice part of the world, but the protesters singing `walking in a Keegan wonderland' holding banners saying `Cockney Mafia out' look like ignorant fools - they just have a dumb dislike and mistrust of anyone from the south. I feel slightly sorry for Ashley - he has done a lot at his own expense, but just got into a popularity contest with `King' Kev. It was only a matter of time before Keegan left anyway; the guy is a serial quitter - first sign of trouble and hes off leaving someone else to deal with it.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Has anyone seen Freddy Sheppard is back in the frame (Sky Sports News), Savage!

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Ashley trying to sound the hard done man!
Should of checked the club out fully, he is a successful business man isnt he?

KK was the bad appointment in the first place but what has annoyed the fans the most isnt anything to do with the transfers coming in etc its the way its been carried out and the way they have undermined KK.

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comment by Michael (U9090929)

posted Sep 15, 2008

Can I suggest all concerned, Ashley, Wise and Newcastle fans, search out the David Frost interview with SAF?

1. Everyone knows how unhappy United fans were when the Glazers took over (and plunged the club into debt) at United but they have never tried to dictate how the club is run;

2. When asked who runs the club (meaning all matters football), SAF replied, "The manager, it has to be";

3. When asked about the fans, SAF replied, "Sometimes the fans get the idea that they own the club, they don't".

The owner(s), the manager and the fans all have a specific job to do and the roles do not overlap.

I can't remember who it was who first dreamt up the non-entity that is the "Director of Football" but since it's been around it's only ever caused trouble. Sir Booby Robson we could all understand given that he was a great manager and of course his life long association with NU. But Dennis Wise?

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posted Sep 15, 2008

The fans dont own the club, but without them there is no club!

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Ashley said he was prepared to supplement Newcastle to the tune of £20m a year in order to make the business sustainable.... This is the nub of the matter at hand, it's a business. Ashley has done a great job business-wise but hasn't done so well with the PR side. He should've released a statement similar to this one after Keegangate occured...

Newcastle fans still think it's the mid 90s, thats their problem. Stability is needed and thats what, to some extent, the DoF role brings as he is the man in charge of recruitment et al. The manager/coach is employed to work with the players prior to matches.

I don't think Newcastle will get a billionaire benefactor ala Man City, as the club will never have a global image.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

The problem with Ashley is he allowed players to come and go without the manager's say so. That can never work.

However, it looks like Ashley lost confidence in Keegan after his wish list of players like Lampard and Ronaldinho and, to be honest, I would have too if I was Ashley.

I think the Ashley/Keegan relationship was doomed to fail because Keegan always felt he wasn't backed financially by the board which he made clear when he said Newcastle will never be a top four club.

However, Ashley is clearly not a man willing to spend over the odds for players and is trying to balance the books for the long term health of the club and has a strategy on how to take the club forward.

Ashley appears to have the patience for a long term building project at the club where as it seems Keegan wanted a quick fix. Personally, I prefer Ashley's approach and, in the long term, the club and fans could benefit from Ashley's strategy.

I would say to the Newcastle fans - give Ashley a chance. It might not look like he's doing the right things now, but in a few years it could all make sense.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Newcastle fans dont think they are in the 90s at all. Its the numpty fans you see on the TV that are, but the majoroty dont.

MA wanted to sell Owen, Barton, Milner etc etc without KK say so. I would of snapped anyones hand off for £12m for Milner, but the squad is thin enough as it is and it just wasnt right, however KK put on a face and said he allowed it, this wasnt true!!

Ashley is right about bringing in youngsters and unknown ala Arsenal, but whilst Arsenal wanted to do it for footballing reasons MA was/is going to turn NUFC into a feeder club for the rest just to line his own pockets.

It just shows you that Oba Martins & Beye were refused entry into SJP on Sat as they didnt have a ticket!!!

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Ridiculous club with over-inflated expectations, i wouldn't think anybody will be rushing in to inherit some of the most disillusioned fans in history. Ashley should go and put his money into a proper club, how about some shares in Sunderland Mike???

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posted Sep 15, 2008

fab-ulus (U2269394)

Iv wanted to say all weekend but kept missing the opening times that: Mike Ashley is the sort of chairman any club would like. He comes accross as a sensible guy that still has passion for the club and he's from the area.

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Mike Ahsley does not come from the newcastle area! doh

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Plasticoutcome, what a loser. Typical Mackem mate, grow up and have a real chat rather than bating!

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comment by U9563463

posted Sep 15, 2008

'He's also hidden the fact the club has long been for sale and he put all the players up for sale.

He may always enjoyed his football but to believe he didn't always see Newcastle as a opportunity to make a quick buck is naive.'

Naive! No one in their right mind goes into football to make a quick buck, they do it for enjoyment not to earn money. Hardly any clubs breakeven let alone make a profit. When an owner puts millions into a club, he is unlikely to see it again!

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Keegan is not the Messiah he isnt even a great manager, and hes supposed demands to buy the Henrys and Beckhams of the world was a stupid idea and typical of the man.

Ashley clearly has a solid vision for Newcastle but once again the deluded Geordie nation have scupperred that, the Arsenal model would have worked brilliantly for a club like Newcastle, shame its not going to materialise.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

This idea that he wanted the Arsenal model is just a smokescreen. If he wanted that he would have never appointed someone over Keegan to decide who to buy and sell.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

When are the stupid Newcastle fans going to realise Ashley is trying to sort their club out, unfortunatly Football is a business and not a Fantasy and you cant just have managers wasting Millionas of pounds and think it ok. Same with Curbishley. Football will go Bump very quickly without people like Ashley. He knows what he's doing its a shame all football fans havnt got a brain. If your in debt you cant just keep spending. Look at the world and i rest my case.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Darthshearer (U1552251)

what's to talk about. The only people that don't feel the same way are newcastle fans. Bating in football is rife. Get used to it. I can't imagine i would get much of a conversation from you. You have to be objective about these things pet.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

problem is we are a one city club. in liverpool are you've got about 3 football league teams in manchester about 5(?) and in london i'm not sure.

so you would be saying that the wimbledon fans are a disgrace for abandonning MK Dons for AFC Wimbledon.

if you are treat like crap you have every right to protest. DO NOT think i dont appreciate what Mike tried to do. But his loyalty was his downfall.

Toon fans are loyal to the team and our city. And our football club is the life blood of our city.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

problem is we are a one city club. in liverpool are you've got about 3 football league teams in manchester about 5(?) and in london i'm not sure.

so you would be saying that the wimbledon fans are a disgrace for abandonning MK Dons for AFC Wimbledon.

if you are treat like crap you have every right to protest. DO NOT think i dont appreciate what Mike tried to do. But his loyalty was his downfall.

Toon fans are loyal to the team and our city. And our football club is the life blood of our city.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

i'm going to upset a few people here probably, but oh well.

you deserve what you want...a lunatic chairman to come in, spend a load of loans that will never be able to be repaid and leave the club in administration and oput of the premier league.

averyone wants instant success, and it is just ridiculous....no amount of spending will ever create a lasting success...only burn out a club from the inside out.

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comment by PT1986 (U10797230)

posted Sep 15, 2008

How comes people are now saying that Ashley was making an effort by sitting with the fans but before all this they were dissing him for it, telling him to sit where he should sit and do his job properly.

lol, complete rubbish!

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posted Sep 15, 2008

I'm a newcastle fan but feel the fans have cut off their own noses. Dark days but here is a light hearted view of the situation

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx7X4cgh3qI

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posted Sep 15, 2008

I wonder if Mike Ashley has had any proposals from the so called fanatical Geordie fans to put up the £1,000 each to pay him back his £250,000,000. I bet not many and rest my case.
Put up or shut up I think the saying goes.
As for Keegan he's stirred up a Hornets nest and then run for the hills. Messiah my rear end. He is a spoilt kid who spits out his dummy for any old reason. He new the set up and then decided he didn't like it.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Newcastle fans are the most blindly loyal, passionate fans around, hence their blind faith in Keegan. The guy was a clueless England manager and though he brought Newcastle back up, he threw away the title and then walked out on the club soon after. Now he's left them in it again. The only people who didn't see it coming were the Toon fans, they think he cares as much about Newcastle United as they do. He doesn't, he cares about Kevin Keegan.
If Shearer made himself available as manager, the fans would all want him, and the rest of the football world would see it for the mistake it would show itself to be, but the Toon Army wouldn't. Shearer does love the club as they do, but that doesn't make him a great manager.
It's a shame nobody up here made the same fuss when the true Messiah, Bobby Robson, got shafted. They wouldn't be in this mess if he was still around. And they'd probably be a lot higher in the table.

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comment by Chris Q (U1657197)

posted Sep 15, 2008

Keegan knew what was on offer, took the money and the acclaim then reneged on it.

Seems fairly simple - his legging it is more so he can go out a "hero" than anything else. He has a forked tongue and I would question his motives every bit as much as Ashton.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Why did Newcastle fans want Keegan as manager in the first place? He wears his heart on his sleeve (ie has emotional problems), he threw away a 12 point lead over United because he couldn't hack it when the pressure was on, he walked away from the England job, has an unsuccessful football school, and doesn't live in the real world of present day football. The fans take much if not all of the blame for the recent appointment, as they wanted him...and where did he get them? The whole Club and its supporters live in a never never Keegan wonderland, believing he'll bring them untold riches and trophies, but they don't live in the real world. And that ridiculous lady who said her life was over because Keegan had left just about sums it up

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Maybe the toon need to go bankrupt before the fans realise they were all wrong. I thought the business model Leeds had before they went down should have served as a warning to all fans about how a club should not be run. Obviously Newcastle fans think they are an exception to the rule.

I know if I had a spare billion I wouldn’t put it any ware near SJP. The fans come across so ungrateful on TV & Radio to a guy who has put 250 million into the club wanting him out and putting his family in danger. You should all be ashamed.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

As a Newcastle fan, I don't have a problem with Ashley the man, it's more the appointments that he's made.

You can't have Wise and Jimenez running the football side from London, when the team and manager are on Tyneside - it just doesn't work.

I agree that the players that have been brought in thus far this season look pretty good (especially Gutierrez), but due to a few releases at the end of last season, we started off about 4 or 5 players light of a sound squad, and that situation wasn't improved by the sale of Milner (although it was a good price). We needed a load of signings, but didn't even cover those who had left.

I don't back KK for his stand on Smith or Barton, and think they both should have been got rid of (Barton sacked, Smith sold off to Everton), but the talk about Henry, Beckham etc we have never got to the bottom of. I doubt for one second that Keegan wanted to spend £200m on the players mentioned (I mean, they wouldn't come for a start), but I reckon he was suggesting the sort of experienced Premiership players who would stand us in good stead. It wasn't a wish list, it was a 'we need people with this experience' list.

If Ashley wanted KK to stay, then he should have got rid of Wise or clipped his wings. Jimenez could stay, provided he doesn't suggest to any more managers to check out players on YouTube

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posted Sep 15, 2008

by the sounds of it Ashley paid off a lot of debt for newcastle, and wanting him out could be a big mistake.Its pathfectic that he would be assulted if Mike Ashley and his family attended a game, shame on whoever would do that!! We need brittish people to still own clubs we don't need anymore foreigners owning clubs. I do think managers need control of who comes in/out without a doubt, why wasn't Wise just a scout then that sounds more like his role!

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Ashley, being a solid Spurs supporter and always a Geordie hater, came as a billionaire trojan horse to achieve exactly this outcome. He won't sell-up until he takes us into relegation, mark my words.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

We're not xenophobic...remember Freddy Shepherd...all we want is someone who loves the Club as much as we all do and understands how to man-manage. How were you ever going to bet the best out of Keegan by appointing Wise - I'm not bothered where Ashley and Wise come from - I'm a Geordie and married to a Cockney - but I am in business and cannot fathom out how anyone in their right mind thinks that unless wages are capped and football clubs made to run like us normal businesses, Newcastle can only go forward with some multi billionaire who sees NUFC as a tax loss.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Ashley was/is a trojan horse, has always been a Spurs supporter and has achieved his intention of dragging this club down. His lies about family threats should be made evident, we're not barbarians. We've been humiliated by mis-management and betrayals for decades, yet still fill the ground every home game. How many of you detractors would do that? None, especially you mackems who give thousands of tickets away to schoolkids to fill the embarrassing spaces each week. Im proud of our fan unity in kicking the rubbish out from Dalglish, Souness, Gullit, Allardyce to this shower. If we ever get a decent board and manager, we'll support them to the hilt, we always do until they stab us in the back. We never bleat about trophies or titles, all we want is to enjoy watching good attacking football, Keegan's football. Even if we win nothing, it's a working man's right, destroyed by cheats and liars like Ashley. Forget what he paid for the club, he always knew he'd get that back and more. Look at what he's spent on players, it works out at about 2 million when outgoing sales have been taken into account. Anyway, he won't sell until we're relegated. This is/was his way of having fun. Mark my words, his losing face over this Keegan farce will result in some nasty backlash by him, it's in his nature.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

I think ashley has been treated a bit unfairly. You geordies go to matches as fans paying however much it is for a ticket and seeing your side not do too well. You have lost what? £30? how do you think he feels when he has spent £300 million pound on the club and it is still losing? I agree with his statement alot. It is obvious that Newcastle is not big enough to sustain the big players. Newcastle is 1 of the biggest in terms of how passionate its fans are but its not so big on worldwide turnover like manchester united or real madrid. What Ashley is trying to say in my opinion is something like "i dont have so much money that i can afford to be abramovich and spend £30 million pounds on a so called big player that the geordies want to see at newcastle and then have him be a flop and sell him back to his old club for £1 million pounds like chelsea have done with shevchenko, wright-phillips and probably a few others too." Look at some of the 'big' players chelsea have signed with their money; pizarro, shevchenko, wright-phillips, where are all these £20+ million players now? Shevchenko -back to milan for next to nothing, wright-phillips - back to city for next to nothing, pizarro - loaned out to some club (i cant remember who). Ashley is saying look at Arsenal because Arsne Wenger is a very wise man, buying wisely with limited funds and nurturing those bargains into world class players, Henry being the best example signed for what? £2 million i think it was, scored something like 250 goals (A New Arsenal Record) and then sold on for a huge profit. That, i think, is Ashley's vision, to create the players rather than buy them for millions.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Who the hell says we want instant success? I for one just want to see good attacking football the way Keegan gave us before he was 'shoved' out last time and was beginning to recreate this time if he'd been allowed

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posted Sep 15, 2008

We never saw Keegan as a failure mate. You all loved his football, which got us second place and regular champions league. He would win you all back as well if he was treated like a human being. You're all either baiting or have little knowledge of the truth.

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posted Sep 15, 2008

Firstly we are not all stupid and we don't all have the mob mentality. The idea of a sound financial footing and the Arsenal make alot of sense and the club as a business is in a much better way because of him. Arsenal didn't do this overnight and while they were building up the academy they were signing players like Bergkamp on high wages to keep the team in a strong position. I think Mike Ashley's long term view is sound but quite simply the short term needed money spent. KK did it pretty well last time and not always for a lot of money. Andy Cole, Rob Lee, David Ginola etc all came for not a lot of money. Ignoring the personalities I just can't believe that Denis Wise can spot talent better than KK. I always thought you appointed a manager and the backroom staff (Wise, Jiminez etc) facilitated the Manager's requirement. Arsene Wenger would not stand for the Newcastle version of the Arsenal model!

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comment by JimmyJJ (U3021199)

posted Sep 15, 2008

I can't believe there's still so much slagging off of Mike Ashley on here.

The original article is great - they are all legitimate criticisms, and by all means he hasn't been the most professional owner. But he's pumped a lot of money into the club, and he's now trying to do the right thing. Geordies who think he is going to deliberately screw the club up are just being dumb. He'll genuinely try to leave it in as good a shape as possible, he won't just run off in an instant like Keegan did, despite the fact so many fans now seem to hate his guts. I'm not trying to paint Keegan as the villain either, but he's not exactly a noble hero. He didn't like his situation, he quit. All that reveals about his character is that he is proud and impulsive, and we knew that already.

Hope NUFC get through this, but only for the sake of the sensible fans who are honest and realistic, and don't feel the need to blindly idolise or vilify everyone.

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