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posted Sep 14, 2008

The lunatics take over the asylum.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

If his comments are guinuine then he must be gutted.

However if he'd been nore candid with your fans from the outset he'd be unlikely to be in this position in the 1st place.

He wants to turn you into a larger version of the Boro basicly. There's no shame in it - and you'll probably be better off in the long term than the likes of ManC or Chelsea.

If I were a NUFC fan I would be prepared to give him another chance should he not be able to find a buyer for the club.

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comment by Jables (U9818350)

posted Sep 14, 2008

It's really sad that the English game has got to the point where the fans no longer can shout for the Manager's head and eventually get their way, but now go as far as to be able to get rid of the owners by threatening their families?

The Newcastle fans responsible ought to feel ashamed. This club will now go even further downhill. Some of your best players like Owen will end up moving away from the club, and I wouldn't be surprised if you can look forward to life outside the Premiership next season - you deserve it for being so short sighted.

As for "Well it might've been different if he'd said this earlier" ?? I mean - what? What gives fans the right to demand to know the ins and outs of the entire workings of a person in Ashley's position? If you truly were fans then you would have seen what he was doing.

Congratulations on cutting off your noses.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

If you read it his plan was for an Arsenal model, and the debt Newcastle has is huge. Maybe his statement is too late.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

His main mistakes were not coming out with this statement when he took over and laying it on the line for the fans and then in trying to be one of the fans.

He is also absolutely right about Arsenal being a model for how football clubs can be run but it does take time. The other problem with that is that if you don't get success during that period other clubs can overtake you.

Without major investment to allow spending, Newcastle will not be able to compete with Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and now Man City. Even Arsenal may find it difficult in the future, though they will be okay until Wenger leaves.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

Agree with the "should have come out with this earlier" bandwagon.
If he doesn't go, I'll take Poyet as manager.
If he does go, I'll take Terim, with or without Wise.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

can somebody show me where death threats are mentioned?

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posted Sep 14, 2008

A brave man to come out and say it like he has, full credit to him.
He had a vision, the fans have a different one, so he will go, but who are the Gerodies going to get now? Look at the recent history of club buyers, do you want a Gillette and Hicks, how about the Glaziers, and Abramovich (welcome to the fantasy football owner supreme!), and maybe you will get an sheik, who knows!
The only sensible buyer of a club in recent times, to my knowledge, has been Randy Lerner at Aston Villa, he is not stupidly wealthy, but he seems to have the balance about right, but how much of that is due to having a decent Manager in Martin O'neill?
Mike Ashley I salute you and your vision, shame the fans just want money and loads of it now!

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posted Sep 14, 2008

I feel quite bad now! I don't regret the whole Ashley and Wise out campaign but he has made a few points of interest.

Problem is he shouldn't have waited over a week and a half to do this.

Passion/anger built up to a point of no return.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

Yet again the Toon, take the gun, point it downwards & take aim...........

KK is, was & always will be a shyte house - he runs away at the 1st sign of bother - always has done - if he "loved" you all so much, he'd have stuck it out & taken the club forward in spite of the backroom setup - he had other options - but chose to run - knowing that you lot would blame Ashley - you can't see the wood for the trees................

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posted Sep 14, 2008

comment by NIMagpie (U1600173)
posted 3 Minutes Ago
I feel quite bad now! I don't regret the whole Ashley and Wise out campaign but he has made a few points of interest.

Problem is he shouldn't have waited over a week and a half to do this.

Passion/anger built up to a point of no return.

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No, there's passion and then there's acting like spoilt brats who have had their favourite toy taken away and nothing better than a hardcore of thugs who think threatening someones' children is a way of getting what they want.

That's not passion. That's feral, mindless thuggery for thuggery's sake.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

I live in Toon though I am Boro through and through.

It amazes me how high the expectations of Toon fans are and how demanding they are. They want instant success and aren't prepared to wait. They truly believe that they are one of the best clubs in the Premiership when results and trophies suggest otherwise. fair enough they have seen some hard footballing times but I'm from Boro, who hasn't?

Newcastle need to stop living in a dream world. You aren't as good as you think you are.

Toon had something good going with Bobby Robson but sacked him a few games into the season when it would have made sense to get a junior coach to be groomed by him for the future. But then Toon always do that. Obviously Robson wasn't good enough either.

I never thought Keegan was the right choice. I thought it was unbelievable that he was appointed in the first place, since he has bottled every job he has been in, and was clearly having financial problems and needed the money.

Football in this country is changing now that the big money is moving in. Its too much of a risk to put the club in the hands of one man however good he is and the 'Ferguson' managerial structures are dying out.

Continental style methods will be become the norm and managers will become 'coaches' while the business men get on with buying selling and dealing players. The more rich people who come in to buy up clubs as rich toys the worse it will be for the rest of the clubs, players and teams who have no chance of competing.

Even the great Brian Clough would have no chance of building a team to match the rich clubs these days.

Denis Wise has been good for Newcastle, buying some excellent players and keeping a low profile. He was brought in to do a job: Scout for and buy young players and he has done that brilliantly. Why is this such a shock for Keegan and Newcastle? It was perfectly clear what the structure was going to be.

Keegan threw his rattle out of the pram yet again but because he was loved by the faithful Ashley and Wise are made out to be the bad guys when this is not true.

Newcastle fans need to see that they will never get anything good at the club until they stop pushing the self destruct button and destroying the only gift horse that has come their way in years.

Thank God we have Gibson, Lamb and Southgate!!!!!!

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posted Sep 14, 2008

Newcastle United Fan are a complete Disgrace to the club i wouldnt blame ashley if he did leave you lot in the dumps, the guy has done wonders for you lot, most clubs would have him, the way he has been treated is a complete disgrace you should all be ashamed of yourselfs and as for kevin keegan he is a joke what kind of a manager is he if all he does is run away he cant love newcastle that much.Dennis Wise should go nobody else, at the moment its Newcastle fan bringing the club down not the board,sunderland and middlesbough must be laughin at you lot so much for the way your being , ashley has put everything in to that club . ungrateful

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posted Sep 14, 2008

fair play to Mr Ashley, he has my respect and i wish him and his family well.. if his family have been threatened by fellow newcastle fans then shame on them.

Mr Ashley, cheltenham town could do with your help, based on the business model you suggest.
please!!

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posted Sep 14, 2008

As a lifelong Newcastle supporter it was clear from yesterdays performance (i live near Hull imagine the stick i,m getting!)that we are nearing the end game.
I admire Ashley for his honesty and perhaps several other Premier League chairmaen should pin his statement to their notice boards.
It succunctly describes the current state of this league and a sad indictment of how money has pervaded and prostititued a game we all love.
Yes he got it wrong, his business model was fine but unravelled as soon as he appointed Keegan who was never going to work under those conditions.
A salutory lesson to prospective buyers.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

So they you have it Newcastle fans. You've bit if off now chew it.

Just re-examine yourselves. Put your club in the large context of the football world now. And realise that yours is a midtable Club. End of. Dream of Uefa cup spots, not CL.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

smiley

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posted Sep 14, 2008

Cracking statement, he must have been up all night on that. Newcastle fans should give him a break!

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posted Sep 14, 2008

Good luck Newcastle, here's hoping Peter Ridsdale doesn't buy you. Then you might wish Ashley had stayed.

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comment by gebeeze (U7793567)

posted Sep 14, 2008

I think some of these supporting Ashley (and I have just posted a message on another article saying that he made mistakes, but that this could have been avoided if he was as honest earlier on) need to start showing some proof that his kids were threatened. The statement said that the police advised him that it would not be safe for him and his family. Nowhere does it say anyone actually threatened his kids. It is the same with Liverpool fans- the rest of the country simply assume the worst about Northern fans- especially commentators from the South. As a Brummie I have no particular reason to defend the Northerners, but this is simply unabated regionalism. Attack the Newcastle fans for their delusions of grandeur, but don't attack them for something that there is no proof of.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

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No, there's passion and then there's acting like spoilt brats who have had their favourite toy taken away and nothing better than a hardcore of thugs who think threatening someones' children is a way of getting what they want.

That's not passion. That's feral, mindless thuggery for thuggery's sake.

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Was or was there not a statement from the police applauding the Newcastle United Fan's behaviour when exercising their right to protest?

Feral. Ha! Yet one more holier than thou waiting for another bandwagon on which to prove his superiority.

Get over yourself.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

Personally I don't see any disgrace here. The protests yesterday have been praised by the Police for the way in which they were conducted.

The threats against Ashley's children line is being overblown. He was merely advised by the Police that it would not be safe for him to attend a game (with or without his children). The Police were correct to do this as they know it only takes one lunatic, and they exist in every town, in every football club, to do something idiotic.

Ultimately I always knew that Ashley being in with the fans couldn't last. That's not his place. If he wanted a good day out for his kids, he could've just taken them to support the Toon without ever buying the club. But once you start making the important decisions that Owner's and Chairman have to, you can't expect to stand with the people on the receiving end. Because if they don't like what you're doing, it's only going to inflame things.

So let's not get carried away. Ashley has spoken candidly and with some grace about the club and in return he deserves a calm period of respect whilst he looks for a new owner.

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comment by davwuh (U11245209)

posted Sep 14, 2008

@gebeeze

I don't think he meant his kids were threatened directly, but obviously there would have been physical backlash from the fans and you wouldn't want your kids sat next to you while a glass bottle is launched at you would you?

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posted Sep 14, 2008

ashley should just leave newcastle, he did such a good job and invested som much money newcastle didn't deserve. i think it's fair to say nufc would be so much worse of without his input. i hope newcastle fans are feeling bad now, they should be.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

You are not allowed glass bottles in the stadium. So I doubt very much any would be getting thrown at him.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

I agree...Keegan once again looked for the easy way out and one that would keep his standing as hero by the Geordie faithful.. was too easy to put the blame on Ashley and Wise,

how many managers currently operate getting players bought on their behalf... most on the continent and now even more in EPL... even Ramos I believe was having players handed to him (eg Hutton), so why is it not enough for Keegan...

I mean tryin to dump smith and barton is hardly a crime is it...most teams would do the same, and Owen obviously is looking for a bigger pay packet elsewhere so why not cash in now, Newcastle fans need to take a serious dose of reality....even if Ashley goes there wont be a Suadi billionaire ready to throw money around so if I were them I would hope that Newcastle carry through on their plan and focus on youth and start building a team for the future....

My team Rangers and in general Scottish football did the same 10 years ago, paying over the odds for average foreign players, and all it got us was 60M debt, which we needed our chairman and his company to bail us out, in the last few years most scottish teams have focused on youth and homegrown players with a few foreigners thrown in, and the results have been amazing, CL qualification and last 16, UEFA cup final...so it can be done

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comment by gebeeze (U7793567)

posted Sep 14, 2008

davwuh,

My comment is responding to lunacy such as that of ForzaVerona;

"No, there's passion and then there's acting like spoilt brats who have had their favourite toy taken away and nothing better than a hardcore of thugs who think threatening someones' children is a way of getting what they want.

That's not passion. That's feral, mindless thuggery for thuggery's sake."

Such comments, and there are a number of such examples, are judgemental and disrespectful to not only the Newcastle but also the Newcastle people. There are dangers in every stadium- but no one threatened his kids as far as we know. Idiots like ForzaVerona should apologise or retract their statements.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

Spin spin, and even more spin - and it took long enough to produce.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

You see? He isn't quite as bad as you make him out to be.

Keegan will never deliver you silverware, so why do you get so obsessed with him? He is an awful manager, ask Man City fans.

You can't pin the blame all on one man. I blame Keegan more than Ashley (although Wise is an idiot, admittedly).

Lower your expectations and maybe your team will play better and actually win something in your lifetime.

I know it's just a statement and for all we know he could be lying. But regardless, it is not all his fault. Give him a break!

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posted Sep 14, 2008

comment by The_Spandex_Mahatma (U2648453)
posted 9 Minutes Ago
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Was or was there not a statement from the police applauding the Newcastle United Fan's behaviour when exercising their right to protest?

Feral. Ha! Yet one more holier than thou waiting for another bandwagon on which to prove his superiority.

Get over yourself.
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Only if the Toon Army do it too.

But yes, it's hard not to feel superior compared to the average 'feral purported Newcastle fan.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

Seems that Ashley is wiser than a lot of people gave him credit for!
Owner or Manager at Newcastle is a 'poison chalice' - the fans tend to expect too much too quickly. And though they have had some great times in the past, at the moment, it is not realistic to be thinking of them as serious contenders in any European competition.
Some stability with the same board and same manager for a few years might create this but the current climate and the way fans react to things is currently counterproductive.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

A quality statement from a business man who loves his club.

In one swift stroke he has shown that (as is par for the course and been shown time and time again) that fans and commentators are clueless shmucks who should shut up and let people get on with it.

Shut up bar code fans. I hope you're ashamed of yourselves.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

The statement appears to be one from a man who not only cares about the club but has vision for the future sustainability of the club.doh

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comment by U13321168

posted Sep 14, 2008

Full credit to Mike Ashley. What he says makes sense.

Shame he didn't say this sooner. Keegan does not have a record of unearthing young talent. The plan was right the choice of manager was not.

Feel alot of sympathy for the bloke because he just wanted to be one of the fans. He tried to please them by getting Keegan but its backfired. He even held talks to try and get KK back.

Will Newcastle fans give him another chance? Lets face it there are far more astute managers than Keegan about.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

comment by gebeeze (U7793567)
posted 2 Minutes Ago
davwuh,

My comment is responding to lunacy such as that of ForzaVerona;

"No, there's passion and then there's acting like spoilt brats who have had their favourite toy taken away and nothing better than a hardcore of thugs who think threatening someones' children is a way of getting what they want.

That's not passion. That's feral, mindless thuggery for thuggery's sake."

Such comments, and there are a number of such examples, are judgemental and disrespectful to not only the Newcastle but also the Newcastle people. There are dangers in every stadium- but no one threatened his kids as far as we know. Idiots like ForzaVerona should apologise or retract their statements.

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Gebreeze, contrary to what you may think, I'm not here slating off the people of Newcastle who are hard-working and industrious lot and more importantly, open-hearted and very friendly.

However, what I cannot abide are people on Match of the Day making such preposterous statements as 'it's ruined my life!' and other such exaggerated and wholly reactionary comments.

To quote the great Bill Shankly, "Football isn't a game of life or death. It's much more important than that."

It is a powerful force, something that can unite and rend asunder communities but the recent behaviour of Newcastle fans has been beyond what could be accepted as 'reasonable' or 'rational'.

Yes, KK Is a great hero and has performed miracles for the club in the past, but times change and the world turns and this kind of demonising, aided and abetted by a cruel press, of someone trying to do his best for the club, does not show people in a good light for all their love and passion.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

One thing is for sure, Ashley has stood up for himself with this bold statement but some of things he says are not justifiable. He didnt listen to the fans at all or keegan for that matter because he was boozing away in America. But, he did want a long term plan and clearly he has financial limits that mean he cannot turn them into a massive club overnight, fair play to him because there is no point giving false hope to the millions of fans and lying. Obviously, he could have done things different, the appointment of wise wasnt necessary but after reading this statement it sends a message to the many other owners of clubs who cannot stand up and speak up. Until a new owner buys the club, ashley and his family deserve a period of calm and respect.

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comment by smplkd (U10372515)

posted Sep 14, 2008

Brilliant, brilliant statement from a man who we all felt didn't have a clue. With on, swift, albeit 1,644 word statement, he's pulled a cracker.

In reality, he couldn't have been as stupid as we all though now, could he?

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posted Sep 14, 2008

i was all for the protests against ashley and wise but i have to say that i fully admire ashley for what he has said. he should have come out earlier and let us know what was going on and what his plans were though.

I never wanted ashley to go because i truely believe he is passionate about the club and won't abbandon us like many owners would. Ashley isn't the problem its denise wise. remove wise and give the manager control with a budget. I don't believe one bit that millions should be spent on one man. All of the players that are suposed to be world class are nothing but a problem. Ronaldo? Berbatov? Robhinio? they all showed there clubs disrespect to get a transfer. Alright ronaldo's still there but he don't want to be.

I love keegan and want him as manager but he also lives in a dream world of building a fantasy football team.

Ashley should remove wise or give him another role. reinstate keegan with a definate budget thats reasonable and let the players do the rest.

I'm ashamed if there have been fans threatning ashley and his family. Thats not what us toon fans are about.

Lets get our heads out of the clouds and start thinking whats best for the club. Ashley and keegan can change the fortunes but ashley needs to get rid of wise and whatever manager comes in needs to be realistic on funds.

I think the transfers we have had have been good and i fully support bringing in youth players not just for the good of newcastle but for english football and the england team.

id take my hat off to you ashley if i had one for your admiration towards our club just some decisions were wrong but you can fix them and keep the club.

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comment by paul (U12784221)

posted Sep 14, 2008

dont you think that match of the day and others could POSSIBLY showing the clips that fit both their and apparantly your agendas?........possible?

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posted Sep 14, 2008

so why did he sack sam allardyce if that was his plan?

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posted Sep 14, 2008

Mike Ashley just doesn't impress me..if he was in charge of Manchester United I'd just die..the sight of him downing a pint at Old Trafford, as owner of the club, would make me shudder. The Newcastle fans are the epitomy of delusion..their obsession with Keegan borders on the perverse..they make themselves ridiculous as they call him the messiah..the majority of them will be clueless to the fact that he is a third rate manager who has a nasty habit of walking away from any job he finds himself in

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comment by Levii (U10138513)

posted Sep 14, 2008

Newcastle fans should start dressing like Arabs to attract investments in the Middle East then. Truth of the matter is, you always want a huge fan of the club to be owner of the club. He knows the club and he loves the club and wants the absolute best for the club! Mike Ashley is the best person for Newcastle. SUCCESS TAKES TIME....

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comment by TYMFTR (U8043087)

posted Sep 14, 2008

Well the fans of Newcastle have just shot themselves in the foot. The only stable part of the club (the board) is now breaking up because a spoiled brat doesn't get his own way.

The fans have just bitten off the hand that feeds them.

The great fans of Newcastle need to think things through before they let their passion screw their (beloved) club up.


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posted Sep 14, 2008

I have to say I never really understood the Kevin Keegan thing, it all seems a bit misplaced to me, he did nothing special since he came back.

Reading that report from Ashley just shows the difference in intelligence between him and the majority of Newcaslte fans. He saved a dying club, a club he really cared for and supported only to have it thrown back at him by uneducated fans who want it all now. Who don't understand that Ashley put his own money into the club, and that money cant last forever. Ashley paid the greatest price for trying to run newcastle in a sustainable way.

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posted Sep 14, 2008

I think this is another sad day for football.

A man who is obviously a passionate supporter of Newcastle has poured his fortune into the club only to be driven out by idiots who don't know the facts and have jumped to conclusions.

Keegan is not the greatest manager of all time and frankly when the going gets tough - Keegan gets going.

I am not a Newcastle fan but have always thought it would be nice to see them do well and win something for the "so-called greatest fans", now I'm not sure these fans derserve it.

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comment by pne33 (U1911436)

posted Sep 14, 2008

Why does it seem to be that Dennis Wise is unanimoously the villan of the piece to all fans? Methinks its a case of his previous reputation at other clubs clouding peoples judgement. Probably half the clubs in the Prem have someone working in a similar role to the one he is currently doing

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comment by U3783454

posted Sep 14, 2008

Newcastle fans, best in the league? Most deluded in the league and this statement shows it. You slated your own manager (Allardyce) in a disgraceful display of being "fans" and now you slate the the man who has put a quarter of a billion into the club. Anyone would be stupid to buy this club with these disgraceful, deluded "fans".

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