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posted Sep 7, 2008

F1 has become a complete joke in recent times. This tops it off for me.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

game over for me ive had enough f1 are a joke.

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comment by tmx468 (U1807292)

posted Sep 7, 2008

It's not about the final result; the penalty is for the incident in it's own right.
It's a devisive decision - He let Kimi back past, but gained from the event in terms of putting himself in the best position to take him again.
As far as I am aware, all that is required within the rules is to allow the other driver back past - should they clarify the law, to state that no advantage can be gained over a period of 3 corners (time enough for to eliminate any advantage), unless a mistake is made by the lead driver?
This just seems a little strange as a decision...

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Everyone is saying the same thing: F1 is a joke!

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comment by Chris (U1110557)

posted Sep 7, 2008

F1 is a Joke. Just cause he doesn't drive for Ferrari. When was the last time this sort of thing happened to a Ferrari driver?

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Are they saying Kimi would have been 25 seconds in front then if Lewis hadn't overtaken after going off at the corner?

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posted Sep 7, 2008

McLaren have got to appeal against this because there is in no way Hamilton gained an advantage there and he certainly never gained a 25 second one! This sport is a farce

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Is everone ignoring the fact Rosberg nearly caused a crash but has got away scott free

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posted Sep 7, 2008

"It's not about the final result; the penalty is for the incident in it's own right."

Nobody told the stewards in Valencia though, did they? They let Massa off with a fine on the basis that there was "no sporting advantage".

This decision is ridiculous at the best of times. But setting it alongside the Massa incident at Valencia proves that F1 has descended into utter farce. The stewards are indefensible here.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Would they have penalised Ferrari if they had done the same?? Answer NO!!

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comment by Dan (U1900095)

posted Sep 7, 2008

Oh dear. Well certainly won't be watching F1 for quite a while now.

What a joke of a sport..

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posted Sep 7, 2008

<laugh>

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Complete joke it clearly shows the favoritism to Ferrari, they blatantly break a rule in Valencia and nothin happens, Hamilton did nothing wrong, infact he even got pushed off the track and they give him a penalty, whats the point in racing if the stewards will only let Ferrari win!

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posted Sep 7, 2008

oh how i love F1!! :)

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posted Sep 7, 2008

No... the joke is NOT F1... the joke is the FIA...

Emasculate the great circuits, introduce sterile venues on the basis of earnings for Bernie et al, and finally make it impossible for ANY driver to race without the spectre of a post race penalty..

Lets just have Q3 as the medium for awarding points, trophies etc, and save all that time, fuel, and rubber!!!

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comment by andy (U9196252)

posted Sep 7, 2008

absolute crap decision. He did not even have an advantage after he let him by, it was obvious he was gonna take him anyway.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

I know very little about F1, but it seems if you drive a Ferrari, you get all the decisions on your favour. If you drive a Mclaren, you get everything thrown at you. FAIRNESS PLEASE!!!

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comment by tmx468 (U1807292)

posted Sep 7, 2008

The 25 seconds will be based on a stop-go penalty, which would have been issued if the race was still on-going.. (Time in to the pits, stationary, and off again)

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posted Sep 7, 2008

F1 is a joke. Shocking post race decision.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

"McLaren have got to appeal against this because there is in no way Hamilton gained an advantage there and he certainly never gained a 25 second one! This sport is a farce"

is there a right to appeal? and if they appeal, who are they appealing to?

clearly, there are serious grounds for an appeal, but if they are going to be appealing to an FIA appointed panel, why the hell bother???

their appeal will be thrown out, and the penalty may be increased

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comment by Trebor (U2126458)

posted Sep 7, 2008

Massa was let off in the last race even though a GP2 driver was penalised for similar incident. Now we have this joke of a decision. FIA and Ecclestone have Ferrari so far up their exhausts that they don't mind being blatantly biased in their decisions. <steam>

I am so fed up with this bent sport.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

I know very little about F1, but it seems if you drive a Ferrari, you get all the decisions on your favour. If you drive a Mclaren, you get everything thrown at you. FAIRNESS PLEASE!!!
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That's about the gist of this sport...

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posted Sep 7, 2008

bout 4 years ago i use to like F1 yet another example of how bad its getting pure joke its not a sport anymore

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Mclaren appeal required.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

It doesn't make a difference if it didn't cause "an advantage ultimately" - that's not the point. Would people have been happy that Schumacher wasn't disqualified for deliberately crashing into Villeneuve simpyl because he wouldn't have won anyway?

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posted Sep 7, 2008

What is this????????
ferrari crash out, so moan until they get the winner stripped?
F1 is bent.
I have had enough of this & will not be watching again.
No advantage was gained, hamilton backed off to let the ferrari re pass (as per the rules) and then drove out of his skin to win a race that the other driver couldnt even stay on the tarmac!!!!!
FIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Anyone for a deluge of incredibly predictable anti-Ferrari diatribe?

(To be fair, I didn't see the incident; despite the race being very interesting, two glasses of Merlot got the better of me and I was having a snooze.)

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posted Sep 7, 2008

a joke, what is the justification for a 25 second penalty

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Very strange!

Was it not only last week that Ferrari were let off a penalty for a rule break in the pits!

I am not a big fan of GP but am now totally keeping away from this sport.

Very poor!!!!!!!!

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Wtf? How an earth can they punish Hamilton like this? Kimi didn't even finish the frecking race. Formula one is a laughing stock of a sport. Ferrari get every decision in their favour. Massa must be rubbing his hands in glee.

LEWIS HAS BEEN SCREWED OF A FAIR WIN!!!!!!!!!!

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Ive been an F1 fan for 40 years but that's the last straw for me. That's the worst, most prejudiced decision Ive seen. Anyone who saw the incident must agree he gained no advantage. Its just so sad for racing fans.

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comment by bazza71 (U3973016)

posted Sep 7, 2008

It's been great reading the posts from you guys, but that is the last straw for me with F1.
The whole of F1 has now become a complete laughing stock and when we finally get a decent race on a fantastic track, this abhorrent ruling happens.

Cheerio and see you all on another post hopefully talking about a real motorsport.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

So Massa actually pulls off some DANGEROUS driving in Valencia and only gets a fine but Hamilton gets a 25 second penalty for an overtake that ultimately made no difference? Ron Dennis said that Hamilton's move was OKed at the time by the race director, so how could things go so wrong? I wonder...

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posted Sep 7, 2008

They'll do anything to stop Hamilton winning. There was no advantage to cutting the corner, unless saving yourself from crashing into a disgustingly bad bit of driving from Rosberg (a la Raikonnen).

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posted Sep 7, 2008

this is absolutely ridiculous. The BBC are right in reporting that it is for entertainment value. The rule is you must return to behind your opponent if you gain an advantage by cutting off a chicane. That's exactly what Hamilton did and then he passed him legitamately.

Hamilton has every right to be absolutely livid with this. Poor Lewis.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Never in the history of the sport has a driver been given this kind of penalty for "gaining an advantage" when the car that was overtaken was allowed back through to retake the place.

The BBC have made a mistake as they've put this story in the "sports" section of their website, when clearly there is no sport remaining in F1. I'm going to watch WWF (or whatever it's called nowadays) as the results are less predictable there.

Kimi should get a penalty for the next race as he overtook Hamilton under yellow flags just before he crashed out, when Rosberg spun and Hamilton had to get off the track to avoid hitting him.

Of course Ferrari never get any kind of meaningful penalties.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

People need to open their eyes. Since day 1 Hamilton has been treated lieniantly by the rulers of the game and the stewards. probably because they don't want to be accused of racism, however he has finally got punished for breaking the rules, I think any appeal will fall on deaf ears. Considering that he, Alonso and Maclaren could all have been banned from this season for what they did last he should keep his mouth shut. But he won't because he is an arrogant young driver who believes that because his sugar daddy owns one of the biggest F1 teams he is born to be champ, I for one, despite being English, hope not.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

FIA you are a disgrace. F1 and football are finished as sports due to stupidly rich greedy b@stards with inflated egos

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posted Sep 7, 2008

This can't be serious,I watched the race and to me,Kimi seemed to be one that caused the damage and paid the penalty,it makes absolutely nosense to penalise Hamilton.
I bet Ferrari is behind this,F1 is a total JOKE

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Alright we're all a bit miffed but let's look at the bigger picture.

Raikkonen was investigated and they have not said anything about that. Also Rosberg nealy caused an accident, but has got off scott free!!!

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comment by Shahin (U1667001)

posted Sep 7, 2008

As soon as this happened i thought to myself not again.

Although he let gave the place back, he never fully gave the back place.

He was in the position he wanted to be in for the corner even though he let Kimi get back in front of him.

Even after the GP had finished their was talk about this could happen, its not a joke of F1 but i really think these decisions should be made sooner.

This is why i watch Indy Car / Nascar

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posted Sep 7, 2008

This is a joke, what about the forgotten incident of the last race and the dangerous driving in the pits.

Totally forgotten even though everyone expected Ferrari to get punished.

This time nobody even mentioned it would remotely be a problem

An appeal has to be done.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

ridiculous decision, all I know, if this decision will concrete itself as official, I won't watch any f1 races, it's not worth the time. Why ruin everything after all that spectacle? It was pure and great driving, yet the FIA, find an excuse to demote the hami. NO MORE FORMULA ONE, too biased

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posted Sep 7, 2008

it not the first time he did it, since it was at the end of the race, they did not have the time to give him the drive throught pitlane.

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comment by 01dc07 (U1742939)

posted Sep 7, 2008

The rule says you can't overtake on the corner after having cut the previous corner. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

As for the Ferrari pit lane incident, Ferrari argued that the release wasn't dangerous as the pit lane was wide and Massa eventually gave way, he didn't pull out in front of the guy like the GP2 race.

More anti FIA and Ferrari nonsense, how can they run the sport if every decision is scrutinised in such a way? Nobody in the paddock actually thinks the FIA are biased, as Ross Brawn pinted out.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

further evidence the sport is completly corrupt!!! what a joke

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