posted Aug 12, 2008

very simple. winning the world cup in 2003 was the worst thing that could have happened to england.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

please change the record moffett. all you do is post anti english stuff.

england are dross at the moment but will come abck because we have the talent,infrastructure and the resources to compete.

wales do not!!!!

pointless thread this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

anonmattyt
Go away.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

"england are dross at the moment but will come abck because we have the talent,infrastructure and the resources to compete.

wales do not!!!!"

Yeah you have better resources than us and probably most other nations but you're still not currently better than us. This post isn't anti-english/anti-welsh its the truth, but what you just said is a wum, eat your own words anonmattyt.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

im with anonmattyt

what a pointlesss threat by a wannabe englishman.

I think wales winning in the 6 nations was the worst thing that could have happened to the 606 messageboards.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

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posted Aug 12, 2008

What (another) silly thread from Moffet! Points for and against mean nothing only wins and wins at key junctures of tournaments (eg RCW quarter finals)

I guess that's why wales never feature beyond the group stages at the RWC because they think the important thing is points difference!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Moffet, your writing what everyone...even the most biased English knows. Whats the point. The whole Welsh England thing is becoming a tad boring now.
England will come back again, we have the money and the players coming through. It was poor managment both the team management and the old farts at the top. Wales know all about that too.
I should respond to this but its just getting boring......

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posted Aug 12, 2008

GeordieFalcon76
You remind me of the guy on the Titanic, he said the ship could'nt sink, and the rest is history.

This is not a WUM its a good debate into where it went wrong.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Brian Ashton and Andy Robinson are in their own rights great coaches....BUT they are not head coaches. As i said poor management from the top resulted in these guy being out of their depth when they should have been used wisely at what they are good at - Forward and backs/attack coach.
Now we have Johnno....not their to coach but to do a similar role as woodward. Mould the correct coaching team, and get our players playing to the standard most english fans know they are capable. I believe they will do it. Obviously many (NON ENGLISH) think differently.
It will be interesting to watch.....

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Mr. Gale
You can't build foundations on sand, thats why the whole pack of cards have come down, short term thinking and quick fixes will get found out, just look at the England football where are they, they spent billions of pounds and won nothing.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

PS if i started a thread stating Wales only won the grand slam because:
A) the french experimented all the way through and didnt have a settled team.
B) The irish are in no mans land and rebuilding
C) England as you say are rubbish
D) Scotland have limited numbers of top class players
E) Italy are still years behind......

would you say that was a wum or a genuine debate.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

GeordieFalcon76
You could say that about England's last Grand slam, hardly taking on world beaters were they.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Moffets - thanks for this update big man.

I know me and a lot of the other English boys have been sat over this side of the bridge assuming that everything is rosy and that the next World Cup is more than in the bag.

None of us have realised that we've been playing poor rugby over the last 5 years.

So many thanks Moffet - great work!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

moffets...

you ain't a wum!!!!!!!!!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

CiderWarrior
If you don't now where you've been, how do you now where you're going, my post is more of a post mortem on England's last 5 years, and where it went wrong.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Moffet,

One thing I would like to point out is that all rugby fans are aware that England have played some pretty shocking rugby since 2003. It's been boring and quite frankly badly planned and executed. However during this time we have managed to hold onto a reasonable world ranking by sheer determination. Ok we dropped to 7th for a short while, but all NH teams have shifted a fair bit.

It must be upsetting as a Welsh supporter to see England sitting above you in the world rankings whilst they play so poorly. Especially when your team is apparnetly playing world beating rugby and having the most success it's had in years.

Are you aware that Ashton was actuallty more successful over the same duration of time than Clive Woodward was at the start of his England career and look where that took England.

Being a Welsh supporter I'm sure you are aware that teams peak and trough through time, it's just that some teams form varies less than others. Even New Zealand haven't been able to hold No.1 spot for eternity.

Rest assured that England will break the SH dominance at some stage, just as Wales dragged there sorry ars*s from being knocked out of the warm up round of the world cup to a 6 nations win this year.

I look forward to MJ settling into his role and steadying the ship. Once we have a settled structure and team and the boys start playing some rugby again I look forward to challenging the SH teams in theri own back yards. Something that Wales have NEVER achieved!

Thankyou & good night!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Moffet: seriously, how old are you? You talk in the most simple of terms about the most complex of subjects and do so by employing cliche after cliche. Your ability to identify the most irrelevant and trivial piece of a puzzle and then to claim it as the most significant is unbelievable. Couple that with a desperate desire to parade this ignorance on message boards and (no doubt) in pubs etc and you end up with a remarkable individual (but not in a good way!)

It's as though evolution has gone backwards in your case!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Moffets - err no it isn’t mate.

Where in there do you say “where it went wrong”?? You merely point out that we haven’t scored as many points and we've conceded a greater amount.

Wow - what a rugby post-mortem that is.

Please do enlighten us......

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Good point bazzer!

Most England fans would agree we've been appalling since 2003 but are still better than wales!

England have had the kind of 'appalling' most Welsh rugby fans could only dream of!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Mr. Gale
Mr Gale you are wasted on here, ever thought of being a shrink, you're analysis would put freud to shame

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posted Aug 12, 2008

bazzer79
a optomist i see, Clive Woodward took 7 years to build a World Cup winning team, he inherited a team that done well under Rowell,do you think MJ can produce the goods in half the time of woodward did.

I doubt it because every team is improving rapidly, and with the influx of foreign player's to England, that could hamper any progress.
Just an observation.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Moffets - are you able to provide the insight that you mentioned above about where it went wrong?

Edge of my seat here mate!.....

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Whilst nobody but a English rabid cyclopic idiot would dispute that since 2003 England have being going through a rough patch, I would like to point out that the possible comeback of England rugby is not built on sand. Remember the new agreement kicks in this year and the English team will be together on a more regular basis. If you discount this then you haven't really being paying attention to what's been going on in English rugby.

The premiership is not there to support the national side, so the two main stakeholders in English rugby have, until recently been at each others throats - and yet we still are above Wales in the IRB rankings. Just think what we can do if this antagonism betwixt club and country is put to one side.

Good times coming for England

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Some other examples of Moffet's razor sharpe mind:

(interviewer) "Mr Moffet, can you explain why the Conservatives lost the last general election?"

MG: "Yes: LAbour got more votes".

(interviewer): "Moffet, can you explain global warming"

MG: "Yes, it's when it get's hotter than it was".

(interviewer): "Moffet, how did NZ dominate rugby for 10 years?"

(MG): "they won more games, are you a idiot? your mad".

or

YOU decide!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

CiderWarrior
You have come to the right place, England should have stayed with Robinson, another season at least, jonny wilkinson was a big loss for his rein, because those stats would have improved more.

The RFU are not the best judge really, they left Gatland & Edwards go through the net, when they had the chance to recruit them.

Swapping Robinson for Ashton was never the best decision in the world, like swapping typhoo for PG tips and finding out the typhoo was slightly better.

THE 22 RESULTS above said it all,Robinson was the better coach, other than a blip in the 2007 world cup, when the players took control, Ashton was not up to it.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Moffett,

I'm well aware that it took SCW 7 years, I don't think I missed one single match come to think of it! I'd say that's still a pretty good achievement.

It's taken Graham Henry longer than this with the All Blacks, which is a fairly good yard stick!

SCW did indeed inherit a good team from JR, but then MJ will inherit part of a team that reached a World Cup final last year, plus one or two who actaully won it in 2003. I'd say that MJ will also be inheriting a potentially great team.

You could possibly say that the only reason Gatland won the 6N was becasue he inherited a good team from Jenkins. They were pretty much the same team weren't they!!! However I'm sure that's not being fair to gatland and co. much in teh same way as saying that SCW won the world cup because he inherited a good team!!!!!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

TrailApe
When are these good times coming, will i still be alive and kicking,even under woodward, England only won 1 Grand Slam, on the way to the WC, so where will this remarkable improvement come from, can you give me a timescale.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

moffet, give it a break! You are as bad as nottins fo being an antagonistic pleb! I bet most of us welshmen are as tired of your attempted wind ups as the english are, just grow up and stop it!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

It must be true that England are slipping backwards - RWC winners 2003 v RWC runners up 2007. Shocking statistic that.

However, Wales - err ......

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Moffets - in those 4 paragraphs your only real point is that England should have stayed with Robinson. No facts. All opinions. Easy for you to say now that 3 years have passed eh?

Also that tea-bag comparison is a real shocker. It’s the sort of things girlfriends say when they're losing an argument. But I guess you wouldn’t know that.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

bazzer79
I think you are wrong about Graham Henry, he fluffed his first World Cup, but so did SCW, he lost to South Africa at Twickenham 99, Henry as not been in charge as long as woodward.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

However, Wales - err ...... Grand Slam winners 2008?

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posted Aug 12, 2008

The years between the lofty heights of 2003 and now make painful readinng for England fans! Just look at the bald 'facts'.

2003
Rugby world cup: 1st place
6N: 1st place

2007:
rugby world cup: 2nd place
2008
6N: 2nd place


Oh my god! The shock of dropping to second place in our two major competitions has been terrible!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

CiderWarrior
You must look at the bigger picture, Robinson's averages are much better than Ashton, he was in transition,after the World Cup hangover, it was always going to be rocky, Ashtons theory of building foundations on sand and sticking with the old gaurd, instead of rebuilding for the future cost England big time, he cut off is nose to spite his face.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

even under woodward, England only won 1 Grand Slam,
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Yep your right Moffet that SCW did nothing for English rugby they were terrible under him imagine only one Grand Slam tut tut tut I'm surprised he kept his job to resign.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

With all these predicted improvements to England and Wales, Argentina must be nervously looking over thier shoulders......

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posted Aug 12, 2008

I am trying to get people out of cloud cukoo land here, yes winning the World Cup was great, but reallity is now here, i see a carbon copy of English football here, plenty of money plenty of players but nothing in the trophy cabinet.
Stop living in denial and start discussing where it went wrong.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

More England baiting Zzzzzz.....

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posted Aug 12, 2008

has anyone else noticed that moffet has learnt a very clever new saying.

"building foundations on sand"

looks like summer school does teach kids something.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

england need players
you are so intelligent, we are not worthy of you're company.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

we are not living in denial. I am a massive England rugby fan and agree that by and large we have been s**t since 2003.

For 2005 and 2008, I say hats off to Wales. You won the Grand Slan playing great rugby. However, I cant understand why you lot still feel the need to bash the English so much??? Just enjoy the success...

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posted Aug 12, 2008

spectacularMatt1977
Nobody is bashing England, its a constructive debate built on stastitics and truth, ther's nothing wrong with that, stop being so narrow minded.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

moffets i was complimenting you, you obviously listened very hard and learned well.

But seriously what is your problem with english rugby?

why don't you go find something productive to do rather than just trying to stir things up on these boards?

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posted Aug 12, 2008

i think this thread can be closed by stating Moffet is an idiot who should never ever post again on any thread!!!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

i accept the truth but most of what you have said is total b***ocks.

You are trying to stir up trouble and its pathetic. I could stoop to your level and bang on about stats but I wont...

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posted Aug 12, 2008

look at it this way... if Moffet wasn't typing away (very slowly with stick attached to his helmet) he'd be out on the streets upsetting normal people.

By responding to him we're all contributing to society!

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posted Aug 12, 2008

spectacularMatt1977
No need to get shirty, its a fair article.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Moffett , another very amusing reel 'em in exercise - but you have done this one before old son , the Robinson : Ashton comparison.New material needed.
What about answering Geordie's question and widening the er..debate you have started ?

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