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BREAKING NEWS:DAVID VILLA OUT OF EURO FINAL

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posted Jun 26, 2008

YES! this means Fab the Man will start!
He was Amazing tonight, Bossed the midfield showed superb vision!
The Best CM in the world? Yh i think hes semented that tonight ....... only the likes of gerrard can challenge him!

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posted Jun 26, 2008

I hope so - it would be a great chance for him to prove himself at the highest level. But will Spain manage with only one out and out striker, or play Guiza?

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posted Jun 26, 2008

SAF buy fabragas

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posted Jun 27, 2008

I think he deserves a start.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

I hate to say it as a united fan, but Spain are a completely different and better team when Fabregas comes on. Villa being injured is a blessing in disguise

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comment by DaveC (U4310400)

posted Jun 27, 2008

Looks to me like English football is rubbing off on Fabregas. The rest of the team move the ball just as well as CF does, but he has a tendency to look to make the final ball just that little bit quicker and earlier than others do ... witness the second and third goals last night. I thknk that is a product of playing in the Premiership where that speed of final ball is so important.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Yes it looks like Fabregas is going to make it then. He changed the game when he came on.

Too bad for Villa because he is there best striker, and you can bank on him putting away his chances, which Torres hasn't been doing

Villa's hold play is brilliant and he can play others in just like Torres can.

But with Torres on the field they should still have enough to get the better of the Germans.

Iniesta seems to have found his form too.

Hope Spain win it, but its going to be very tough.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Fabregas really showed why Arsene Wenger is the best manager in the premiership. He doesn't have Fergusons or Mourhinho's money, but they don't have his ability to bring out the best in players. Thoroughbred Cesc makes Rooney look like a donkey. And he doesn't smoke.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

I really hope CF gets to start in the final and that Spain win!! This is not just because I think he is a fantastic player and his displays in the tournament so far merit it (especially last night), but as an ordinary football fan (for my sins I support Dunfermline, the place of my birth, and Ipswich) it’s great to see an individual with his attitude to the game.

He’s been loyal to Arsene Wenger, who’s nurtured him through his career to date, and he hasn't complained about being used as a substitute even when you could argue he should have been playing from the start!! The success of the team comes first.

For me he puts the likes of Ronaldo, Adebayor, Hleb and the rest of those egotistical money grabbers to shame. Good luck Cesc!!

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posted Jun 27, 2008

As a United fan I put my hands up and say Fabregas is awesome for both club and country. His performances in this tournament have been amazing and I still can't believe it didn't get him a start yesterday! That said, Marcos Senna has also been awesome. I don't think I've seen him make an incomplete pass of the ball. He is one of the most underated players in the world and I'm surprised he hasn't been offered big money to come to the premiership as his style suits it to a tee.

Overall in this tournament, Spain deserve to win and I will be cheering them on. Sadly I fear that the Germans will do it.

COME ON SPAIN!

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Villa will be a big miss for Spain, he's the best finisher they have, although Guiza looked sharp when he came on. Its a shame that Torres has looked completely out of his depth so far, his finishing has been woeful. Its a double shame I had a tenner on him for golden boot doh

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posted Jun 27, 2008

CF should start for spain, he's proved this in the russia game. I can't wait to see him play for arsenal again

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posted Jun 27, 2008

he should deffinatley start, even if villa was fit he should replace xavi
he is immense
come on espana

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comment by rav_man (U5133353)

posted Jun 27, 2008

The Best CM in the world? Yh i think hes semented that tonight ....... only the likes of gerrard can challenge him!
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haha, best cm but cant get into spain first team on a regular basis hmmmm

he is a great player though, deserves to start the final, played very well last night smiley

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Fabregas deserves to start. He makes such a difference to the team. He commands and dictates the play so maturely for his age.

With him in the team, I'm sure you'll see the best from Torres, who up to now has been double marked in every game and has struggled. The other teams have obviously marked him down as the dangerman. Unluckily for them, SPain have numerous dangerman and this tactic has left room for the likes of Villa, Ramos, Senna and Fabregas to run riot at times.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

One thing Wenger does have that SAF doesn't - more space in the trophy cabinet! United's riches have come from years of exciting, crowd-pulling football. No-one has ever come in with pots of cash to Old Trafford. The Glazers have only brought £700 million of debt.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

United Normally make one Big signing a year although last year we spent mopney on 3 and got another on loan

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Well said "thedickler". Too true, too true. If they manage to keep the ball on the ground most of the time, Spain will run the German defence and midfield off their feet. No kidding.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Aragones is a wily old fox - I expect a miraculous recovery from Villa.

To set the record straight regarding Cesc's benching "he hasn't played a competitive game for 30 days, that's the only problem" Aragones quote regarding Cesc during the group stages.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Brilliant attitude from Villa, can think of quite a few English players who'd play through injury purely for personal glory...but at the expense of team success.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

"Brilliant attitude from Villa, can think of quite a few English players who'd play through injury purely for personal glory...but at the expense of team success."
Can see JT written all over that 1... (maybe not yet - but soon).

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posted Jun 27, 2008

"The Glazers have only brought £700 million of debt."
Only £700 million? Do you own most of Hampshire or is your first name Roman? Even for a club with the turnover of Man Utd's that is a huge debt.
Oh and I'm a bit short this week, could you lend me £80k to get through the week - promise I'll get it back soon winkeye

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comment by bjbean (U8032878)

posted Jun 27, 2008

I hope Spain win but, as previously commented, I've got a hunch the Germans will perform at a higher level. Also note the Russians lost their centre half, Kolodhin, to suspension. Every Spanish goal was focused on the centre half position - no coincidence but good tactics. I reckon the German defence will be toughened up for the final. Penalty decider?? -maybe.

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comment by WeeBG1 (U6623272)

posted Jun 27, 2008

Fabregas was brilliant last night and will be one of the best midfielders in the world if he is not already.

I can't beleive people are comparing him to Gerrard, CF is a better player than him already. Xavi is the benchmark, I can't think of a better out and out centre mid player than him.

I remember quite a few years back England played Spain at under 21s, Spain won 4 nil and Xavi ran the show then. that team was full of your now English superstars, Proves that Gerrard is a good player but not really world class.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

"The Glazers have only brought £700 million of debt."
Only £700 million? Do you own most of Hampshire or is your first name Roman? Even for a club with the turnover of Man Utd's that is a huge debt.
Oh and I'm a bit short this week, could you lend me £80k to get through the week - promise I'll get it back soon

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Son, you might want to go back to school and learn about grammatical scope. In this instance I believe the 'only' covers the verb 'brought' not the noun '700m of debt'.

On topic, I too wouldn't be surprised if Villa recovered, but would love to see Fabregas start as he is one of my favourite players to watch - his pass for Guiza's goal was simply exquisite, a perfect execution.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Fabregas should start as he has been spains best midfielder this tournament, and yesterday he proved he can go forward as well

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posted Jun 27, 2008

"Son, you might want to go back to school and learn about grammatical scope. In this instance I believe the 'only' covers the verb 'brought' not the noun '700m of debt'."
Think you'll find that bit of gramma was from a post I was qouting; but if there are any spaces left at your school of condescension feel free to sign me up.

I dont think Villa will be back in time; Spain are the stronger side on paper and if anything insisting he would be fit would be more of a psychological threat bearing in mind the state of the German CB's.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

I feel sorry for Villa but in Fabregas they have a ready made replacement. He has changed games when he has come on as sub. I can't see the Germans winning on Sunday if Spain play the way they have been.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

I think Dribblingbarnes has got his sums wrong.
Platini stated it was over £1 billion and was immoral. United may be out of Europe for a few years if EUFA have their way. Shame

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Villa is a quality striker, and it will be a loss for spain. Maybe he now has time to sort out that pathetic patch thingy, because i cannot take him seriously as a world beater

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posted Jun 27, 2008

No offense to Villa but he's done very little since the hat-trick and the last minute winner against the Swedes. He was sounded out by the Italians and he was unfortunate to go off yesterday

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posted Jun 27, 2008

"The Glazers have only brought £700 million of debt."
Only £700 million? "
I think you're in need of a grammar lesson. "The Glazers have only brought in £700m of debt," is very different from, "The Glazers have brought only £700m of debt."
The first refers to the fact that they have only brought debt to the club and nothing else. The second refers to 700m being a small number.
Hope that's cleared up!

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posted Jun 27, 2008

"I think Dribblingbarnes has got his sums wrong.
Platini stated it was over £1 billion and was immoral. United may be out of Europe for a few years if EUFA have their way. Shame"
Oh for **** sake (and no its not Jesus I'm refferring to there before I get misqouted again) - my comment was made from someone else's post qouting it bein 'only £700 million' as if this was a weeks wage.

Also I really wouldn't trust Platini either, just as Blatter he is prone to making statements that he presumes are then instant fact, when in reality it appears he gets his facts like the rest of us (the papers/gossip etc). Statement qouted pretty much proves that as under what grounds could he exclude Man Utd from Europe? (Much as it would amuse me) Once again its a Platini/Blatter comment that has no grounding in the real world or appreciation of far wider reaching issue's such as European employment law that will always override any FIFA/UEFA rulings.

Far as i remember the Glazier's took on £750 million debt to buy Man Utd but the exact figure will be near impossible to pin down as even a half decent accountant could inflate/reduce this pretty easily.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

I can't beleive people are comparing him to Gerrard, CF is a better player than him already. Xavi is the benchmark, I can't think of a better out and out centre mid player than him.
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WEEbg1 your an idiot when fabregas single handedly brings his team back to win a champions league final or too win a FA cup final then i can be stand corrected when he performs consistently for about 4 seasons at a top level then i will stand corrected but fabregas has been inconsistent arsenal players have got to stop hyping him up its getting tedius now! if hes so good he would of started every game for spain...

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posted Jun 27, 2008

*arsenal fans

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comment by Chef89 (U12490192)

posted Jun 27, 2008

Cesc should definetely start the final. By far the best player on the pitch last night and in the quarter final. With cesc on the pitch i really cant see how germany could win. However hopefully Aragones wont decide to wastefully use Torres on the bench for the last 20min. Imagine if Germany decided to take off Ballack halfway through the second half for no aparent reason.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Fabregas was superb when he came on, I think he deserves to start based on all his sub appearances this tournament and the fact they may need an extra body in the middle to combat the German powerful midfield. But if Villa is fit you have to play him, he's been by far their best striker and one of the best in the tournament. If he's fit play Villa and Cesc, drop Torres who's been below par throughout tbh.

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comment by WeeBG1 (U6623272)

posted Jun 27, 2008

comment by 12_david_12 (U8173517)
posted 1 Minute Ago

*arsenal fans


I think you'll find i don't support Arsenal.

Secondly Deitmar Hamman had just as much influence on the CL Final as gerrard did, the other players who scored the goals in final Alonso & Smicer also had their say.

Dudek who saved the penalties??

Oh no that's right Gerrard did all that, sorry.

If you actually read my post to the end without jumping in you would have seen that i rate Xavi above either Gerrard or Febregas. Get the Liverpool/England tinted specs off and start watching football for what it is and not what u want it to be.

Fool

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posted Jun 27, 2008

As a United fan it pains me to say this winkeye but Fabregas has been, imo, the best player of Euro 2008. Even though he has yet to start a game, to be able to come off the bench and influence the game the way he has, respect.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

If Villa is really fit Xavi or Torres should be used as a sub not Fabregas.

Xavi has not been influential as a midfield playmaker. Torres gets marked out of games and so far has not been able to hold up the ball well enough to contribute in other ways.
Fabregas on the other hand stands out in what is a very good Spanish side. It's a joke that he has not started a game yet.

If I were a German I would not be unduly worried about Xavi or Torres but would be about Fabregas who will test the best defence.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Xavi hasn't done well? I have to disagree, what games have you been watching? Out of the Spanish midfield the player I would drop for Fabregas would be Iniesta. Iniesta hasn't performed to the level that he has done for Barca, however I can't see any of the Spanish midfield being dropped. Fabregas is only going to play if Villa doesn't start IMO.

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comment by rs (U1785882)

posted Jun 27, 2008

platini used to play football, now he is a uefa businessman. Sorry but what does he know about structures of organisations and money distribution? Does he have a degree, any experience? No. He used to be a footballer, so he has no education at all and lives off his name and all he seems to do is complain and moan about england and money. Yes we know its unfair, but how else could it be? The rich get richer, its a face of life. Perhaps platini should visit the world and see that you cannot change the fundemental aspects of life.

The guy is a joke. Being a good footballer 20 years ago doesnt mean you should be involved in UEFA, which is a business organisation.

Im tired of platini going on, sure sometimes he is right. On the other hand all he ever does is say something bad, usually about the premiership and then does nothing.

Funny how he doesnt mention that diving is now part of the game worldwide and accepted. We all accept it now.

What Platini thinks is we live in a world where people love playing football and should play for free with their socks down, no sliding tackles, playing on sunny days in a park with rope for barriers, no sponsors, no tv, just football with an old solid ball. He lives in a dreamland and trying to limit foreigners is a joke, going against european law is laughable and in a way could jeopardise how people work, all because he thinks there is too much money in the game.

Well there is too much money, but thats life. Either do some actual changes at Uefa or shut up complaining about everything, we all know its wrong, but you do nothing anyway.

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comment by WeeBG1 (U6623272)

posted Jun 27, 2008

comment by pinnicleoffruit (U1785882)
posted Just Now

platini used to play football,


Couldn't agree more my friend, these guys are only in it for 2 things, the money & the ego boost from being regarded as a powerful person.

He was a great player though!

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Why are we dicussing Platmimi. He hates the english and is French

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posted Jun 27, 2008

As a United fan it pains me to say this but Fabregas has been, imo, the best player of Euro 2008. Even though he has yet to start a game, to be able to come off the bench and influence the game the way he has, respect.
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Well, respect to you for saying it.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Fabregas won't start in the Final. He hasn't started yet and Spain are in the Final - why change now? He'll put Guiza instead of Villa so there are two up top - and the 3 attacking midfielders behind the front 2. Then after 55-60 mins Fabregas will come on again either instead of a striker or Xavi, depending how the game is going. He's clearly been the best substitute in the tournament though, and by the time of the next World Cup, he and not Xavi will be pulling the strings for this excellent Spain side.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Couldn't help laugh each time Graham taylor mentioned Fabregas was an Arsenal player. English media seem to big up the Premiership's foreign brigade.

Spain must have the best midfield in world football. Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Silva, Senna - quality players.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Fabregas won't start in the Final. He hasn't started yet and Spain are in the Final - why change now? He'll put Guiza instead of Villa so there are two up top - and the 3 attacking midfielders behind the front 2. Then after 55-60 mins Fabregas will come on again either instead of a striker or Xavi, depending how the game is going. He's clearly been the best substitute in the tournament though, and by the time of the next World Cup, he and not Xavi will be pulling the strings for this excellent Spain side.
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Seems a fair comment. I bet if Fabregas comes on as a sub and inspires Spain to victory he won't care and it probably makes him look better.

Fact is that Spain are in the final doing it this way, expect Fabregas to come on after 55 mins to unlock a German defence that sort of invites you to unlock it.

Still reckon Germany will win, Ballack header.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Well... Villa is a striker and Cesc Fabregas is usually a midfielder. Due to the position difference, I think that another striker might be used instead of Villa unless Luis Aragones changes the formation in order to use Fabregas as Villa's sub. However, there is a posibility that Fabregas could replace someone else (who is not Villa) too.

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posted Jun 27, 2008

Couldn't help laugh each time Graham taylor mentioned Fabregas was an Arsenal player. English media seem to big up the Premiership's foreign brigade.

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All the British teams (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) and Ireland are out of Euro 2008. Therefore, because they don't have any team to support, they decided to support players who are linked with England instead, ie the players who play in English Football League.

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