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Fabregas' vision is out of this world

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posted Jun 26, 2008

For a player that hasn't played a full 90 mins he has a great shout for player of the tournament

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comment by redrose (U3789483)

posted Jun 26, 2008

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by Football - Best sport in the world (U12263881)

Once again Spain go to the next level when he is on the pitch. He deserves to start the final.

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No, he is better as an impact sub actually.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Given the season he has had and the impact he has made at the top level he must be in with a shout for world player of the year

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posted Jun 26, 2008

He should only start if Villa is ruled out with injury. All the others deserve to keep there places. Harsh on Cesc but the impact he could make as a sub could win Spain the final.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Comparing Fabregas to Ronaldo

1)Dosnt act like a primadonna on the pitch. Is tackled and gets on with the game.

2)Performs in the big games(A huge difference to yours truely)

He'smuch better than Ronaldo. Ronaldo gets his plaudits for scoring end of.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

I can't believe this. The whole team was brilliant and you want to focus on the one man.

Spain were already on the next level before he came on - and for all those Xavi/Iniesta knockers - just look at how they linked up for the opener.

Go away!

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comment by v700dys (U9757294)

posted Jun 26, 2008

I'm wondering if David Villa WAS that injured or Aragones saw he was being shadowed by at least three Ruskies.

Uno partido especial! Hasta Domingo!

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comment by kerzee (U12485529)

posted Jun 26, 2008

has there ever been a team that possibly wins the tournament whose most influential player is the substitute ? maybe arshavin should have started on the bench , he`d have had the same effect staying there !

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comment by kerzee (U12485529)

posted Jun 26, 2008

fabregas is proving to be the ultimate team/squad player.not a fancy dan , just a damn fine footballer.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Villa has just been ruled out of the final. It just said on ITV. So Fabregas will start

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comment by Noshaq (U11522369)

posted Jun 26, 2008

Next level? Against a team that were absolutely awol tonight? Not much of a level.

Villa is out of the final btw.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Come on you lot. Fabregas was excellent but, if you paid enough attention, you might have noticed some of Iniesta's touches and passing - truly out of this world, especially considering the conditions.

I think it has a lot to do with ITV commentary team feeling the need to reference the Premiership every given opportunity. The Spain defence were outstanding too. Sergio Ramos, who I have had reservations about in the past, was brilliant. Senna was everywhere. Puyol world class as always. All of them were sensational, but they couldn't really see past Torres and Fabregas!

ITV made me cringe further when they said something like "Arshavin will have to improve his workrate if he wants to make it in the premiership..."

Urgh!

..or the horrible comment, "that was shades of the Gerrard - Torres combination.."

What?? It's pointless and a bit embarrassing.

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posted Jun 26, 2008


fabragas is the best player of the tournament by a mile

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comment by U10501206

posted Jun 26, 2008

comment by quovardus0405 (U6222236)

Given the season he has had and the impact he has made at the top level he must be in with a shout for world player of the year

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That is a massive exaggeration.

Were you watching the same player I was last season? The last half of the season he was distinctly average.

I can name at least four Arsenal players, nevermind Premiership players, who had better seasons than him last season.

Adebayor, Clichy, Sagna and Flamimi all has better seasons than Fabregas IMO.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves on the back of two or three impressive performances as sub.

Crickey, football fans must be more fickle than women, the fashion industry and the stock markets combined.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Absolutely Fabregas again whistle

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posted Jun 26, 2008

I completely agree with the comments about ITV's premiership bias but for me the worst comment was

"Guiza has had easy pickings since replacing Torres after Torres had worn out the Russian backline. No praise what so ever for Guiza even though he probably took 1 of only 2 chances yet Torres spurned at least 5

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posted Jun 26, 2008

ITS THAT BOY FABREGAS ONCE AGAIN!!!!!!!!! :D Can't stop smiling, I'm so proud that he's one of OUR players! :D


He passes to the left...
He passes to the riiiiiiiiiiight!
THAT BOY FABGREGAS!
MAKE MODRIC LOOK SH 1TE!

:D

GET IN THER SPAIN!!! WOOO!!!

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Senna was awesome tonight, he had Arshavin in his pocket and is the first choice Spanish midfielder - the others could play because of him...

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posted Jun 26, 2008

barca would be mugs to take arshavin ahead of fabregas

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Stop the partisan bickering, everyone was brilliant for Spain today. Spain have come of age at last and are showing the rest of Europe how the game should be played. After Arshavin's performance today, will Barca still be pursuing for his signature? I personally wouldn't.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

fabregas is the best!

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posted Jun 26, 2008

For me, and yes, I do support Arsenal, but for me, Torres looked off. Perhaps the conditions were harsh, but he struggled to control the ball. I don't think he was always getting the greatest service, either.

Iniesta and Fabregas were pretty darn good.

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comment by Bowler (U1652055)

posted Jun 26, 2008

Nationally, I support Germany and for the past 42 years. This year, I think it is Spain's Cup. It is theirs to lose. Based on the performance in the past 2.5 weeks, there is no way Germany can deal with Spain. I too would like to see CF on the bench to begin the game and come on maybe 1/2 way through the 1st half. Spain mid field is much stronger with him on the field but don't want him to play too much just in case he gets hurt. I happen to be an Arsenal fan as well.
Selfish! You are damn right.

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comment by lukeyj (U10837261)

posted Jun 26, 2008

U10blahblahblah, are you just speaking out of your arse. Let's not go by speculation. How about facts, Fabregas had the most assists in the premiership. The most successful passes in the final third. Clichy also had very good stats, Sagna and Adebayor had good seasons, but Fabregas has been our strongest player. You won't understand it though. I believe you're probably a Man U fan that doesn't understand what assists means. If it isn't a goal, it doesn't count. Well assists are what matters, that's for intelligent football fans who watch players get put in acres of space against even the best opposition. Adebayor has missed a lot of shots, though suprisingly his accuracy is better than Ronaldo's, but Manure fans forget the amount he misses too. Same with Gerrard and Liverpool.

Torres has been poor. Guiza has been better.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

hahaha the inevitable Slating of Torres.

Get a grip people. Spains system is different to Liverpools.
He works for the team. And the team win, thats all he cares about.

Come on Spain and do the Germans for us!!

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posted Jun 26, 2008

There´s no justice for the rest of the team if you say only Fŕbregas is the reason to beat so well Russia. All the team has made a perfect second half, at the moment Russia go up for put the 1-1, Spain, with each player you choose should beat Russia with 2 or 3 more goals. And now Germany!! If germany leave Spain to touch in the middle, they are died, but careful, Germany is Germany.
Greetings from Spain!!

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posted Jun 26, 2008

But that's precisely my point, Shanklyboyz. Torres seems to do much better when Gerrard is laying in those lovely passes for L'Pool. Spain's system doesn't seem to suit him as of late.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

You are totally correct "tryintobeneutral", WeRGoinDown without a fight" and "U10501206".

I just can't believe some of these people on TV get paid to provide analysis. Some of the opinions are so thoughtless and incidental. The players they know and love or are flavour of the moment play a good pass and its "sooo wonderful". Someone who is less lauded does the same and it doesn't merit nearly as much recognition.

Love how they were yarning on and talking about torres' hair or something after Casillas made that brilliant save and it wasn't acknowledged too.

I would turn the sound off, but the rest of the room would call me a moaning git - which I fully and proudly accept! smiley

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Without under-estimating Germany, Spain looks a more complete outfit in attack and defense. Win or lose Spain has come of age with an outfit which is probably at their zenith. And to think that some of them are still young and could improve!

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posted Jun 26, 2008

i dont think anyone would want arshavin over fabregas 2night ...but maybe now people will see fabregas for how good he really is ...ive backed spain from the start (honest)..so lets hope for a good final sunday with a spain win :D

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posted Jun 26, 2008

According to a Spanish TV poll, Iniesta has been rated as the player of the match

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Ronaldo had three bad games in this tournament, but Real want to buy him, so there is hope for Arshavin.

Spain without Fabregas beat Russia 4-1. Their system does not suit him, with two forwards anyway. Without Villa I expect him to start as he is a very good player.

A lot of good mid-field performances, Deco (outstanding)Modric, Ballack, Senna, Arshavin, Sneijder, De Rossi and many others. Not too many outstanding forwards, that is the way the game is played now.

The terrors of the premiership scored two goals between them.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

absolutely correct TV Espania.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

G_Dounreay (U8446560),

I totally agree with you when you say 'Someone who is less lauded does the same and it doesn't merit nearly as much recognition'.

How can you single out Fabregas when there are other players similar to him who do just as efficient a job, like Iniesta, Xavi and Alonso when he came on.

If you are going to single out anyone, it has to be someone who does something that others can't, for example keeping a player of the quality of Arshavin out of the game for the ENTIRE 90 minutes. Senna, apart from his rather embarrassing long shots and over-complicated dribbling attempts, which he simply hasn't got the skill to pull off, was the outstanding player on the pitch.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Looks like flavour of the week Arshavin has turned out to be just that. Just as everyone drooled all over him after 1 or 2 good performances, they are just as quick to dismiss him after one average performance. It's more volatile than than the stock market. What a joke.

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comment by RedMJG (U8162637)

posted Jun 26, 2008

This was all too predictable. Invite Spain to play football and you'd better hope you're some team; Russia simply aren't that great. Aside from getting beat on penalties and forcing the general public to endure one of the worst games of the tournament, the Italians had the right idea when they went a long way to proving that Spain simply don't have a Plan B. In the same way that the likes of Barca struggle to come up with one, Spain are at their most uncomfortable against the likes of an Italy, or, dare I say it, a Germany.

If Germany invite the Spanish to play football, they too, just like the Russians will be embarrassed. If however, they replicate the usual mechanical-esque performance that we've come to expect from Germans teams, then we may well be in for a game. Or a boring one at least.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

According to a Spanish TV poll, Iniesta has been rated as the player of the match

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I'd buy that. His passing was pretty great, even if here in the states, Andy Gray was banging on about how on Xavi's goal, Iniesta was "trying to score."

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Fabregas - Good, calm down he wasn't great.

Iniests, Xavi, Senna were much Better

Great defensive performance from Spain, especially Ramos.

How poor was Torres?

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posted Jun 26, 2008

*sigh* thank god England weren't in the competition, otherwise the commentators would have spent 90mins talking about the England team and how it performed instead of the match. Instead they spent it talking up the premiership and how the premiership players are SOOOOOO much better than everyone else.

"Torres has been amazing..." really? And just what did he do? He ran a lot, didn't do much but he ran a lot - so obviously that makes him the second best player on the pitch. Of course, the best player on the pitch (and the entire tournament) is Fabregas - why I hear you ask? Is it because he never starts for Spain? No, its because he's in the premiership...

I mean, Senna, Iniesta, Ramos, Villa, Guzia, Silva and Xavi were all awful and if it hadn't been for those two godly premiership players Spain would have lost... to the great Arshavin! Because he isn't some flavour of the month player who suddenly has 3 good games and is a world beater is he? Noooo... He was truly excellent tonight, heart and soul of the Russian team he was! He beat 10 men, round the keeper (twice!) and then did a combi-somersault/backflip to knock the ball into the back of the net.

Or at least that is what the commentators would have us believe and some people on hear seem gullible enough to swallow every word.

Torres was decent, Fabregas was good but they were not the best players on the pitch, nor is Fabregas suddenly the best player in the entire tournament. Senna played a blinder, made every tackle and kept it simple - he stopped nearly every Russian attack and if he didn't Puyol would. Silva was also excellent, for a player so technically gifted he works hard, which is rare. Iniesta was also back to his best, Ramos wasn't too shabby either.

Don't believe the hype!

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Andy Gray is an excitable, ridiculous man. I wish he would fall down a hole

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posted Jun 26, 2008

SJ-MANUTD4LIFE
What a surprise. I suppose Ronaldo should have been voted man of the match too doh

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posted Jun 26, 2008

"For me, and yes, I do support Arsenal, but for me, Torres looked off."

He didn't play well in the last match either - and badly needs to join a big club to develop his big match potential, because he's still a fine player underneath. The loss of Villa is a shame, as with him up front and the rest of the team playing as it did behind him could have given a potent force for the final.

I'm rooting for Spain, and hope they win - but Germany still just seem to know how to do enough. It could be very close.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Andy Gray is an excitable, ridiculous man. I wish he would fall down a hole

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To be fair to ol' Andy, he's been miles better than some of the "commentary" we've had here in the USA for previous tournaments, despite approximately 59,298 "Andy Gray Moments" during the past two weeks. Excitable and ridiculous, to be sure, but then, what does that make Tommy Smyth?

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comment by U10995486

posted Jun 26, 2008

From .tv, Paul Tomkins' column:

Are we watching the same Torres?
It's fairly clear that the Fernando Torres playing for Spain does not look like the player we see for Liverpool. And it's a common phrase in football: "He just doesn't look the same player." It often happens when a player is taken out of one environment and placed into another.

It brings to mind John Barnes playing for England. Exceptional for Liverpool in the late '80s, he just couldn't replicate his form for his country, even against moderate opposition. He wasn't treated the same by the fans, he had less licence to roam, and received far less of the ball.

Ian Rush at Juventus wasn't happy, confident and settled. He was a different player. The same is a risk every time a player joins Liverpool. If players as good as Barnes and Rush can suffer in different teams, then any player can.

A player is largely a product of his environment, and all the interactions therein; he does not act alone. He is helped to look good, or bad, by his own efforts, but also by his teammates and his manager, and a myriad other factors. Different diet, tactics, lifestyle, training, expectations, home life, teammates, crowd, philosophy, language etc, all impact on the player. All affect his psyche.

Torres for Spain is not playing against better defenders than he faced against Chelsea and Arsenal, yet he scored against those teams on three occasions. He is not playing against better defenders than he faced in Champions League games, but after a slow start he scored regularly in Europe for the Reds.

How the manager treats a player affects his confidence. When I watch Torres for Spain, I sense that he doesn't feel totally trusted by Luis Aragones, or comfortable in the style of play. It's like he has no idea when, or indeed if, a pass will ever come; his runs off the ball are less assured. The possession is so controlled, so patient, that at times it appears to have no aim other than keeping the ball. Cesc Fabregas has twice come on and been prepared to hit forward passes, but both times Torres has been taken off.

But that's not to say that Spain are wrong to play that way. Every team has its own way of playing. When it works for Spain they can take teams apart, and they are having their best tournament for 24 years. It's about what works for the team, and Torres has played a part, all the same, by occupying defenders and trying to make things happen when he gets a chance. He's a threat, a player who cannot be left unmarked. It's not that he's playing badly, just that he doesn't look the player we've grown accustomed to seeing.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

What about Cesc? Pure genius, absolutely ran the show with his incisive passing & movement-was listening to the game on 5live whilst watching pictures, & as their commentators observed, the game changed completely when he came on-superb..!

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posted Jun 26, 2008

2-1 germany final my prediction but i hope i'm wrong!

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comment by suren27 (U1737387)

posted Jun 26, 2008

All night that useless David Pleat kept going on about Arshavin! I hope he never ever commentates again! He is ridiculously annoying!

Iniesta was man of the match for me though Fabregas had a big say! Have to say well taken goals by the Spanish scorers!

I hope Spain win, but i can just see the Germans doing the same as they always do...a performance when it matters!

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posted Jun 26, 2008

Russia is 1-7 on goals vs Spain in the last two games. Shocking result for a team that beat Holland rather comfortably!

Superb performance from Spain, but do they have it in them to win a major tournament?

Given their track record, I am with Germany in the final.

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posted Jun 26, 2008

I did not realize just how stupid Andy Gray really is until this tournament. What a low class type of individual. Who needs his opinions on everything on and off the field.

Spain are good but will not beat Germany.

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