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posted Jun 13, 2008

the players had been warned a minute before it was given, atleast he showed consistency

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Was that the penalty where Quinn had his shirt pulled over his head in the box? I think you could give that one, same as last night.

Well done Webb

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posted Jun 13, 2008

What amuses me is I don't see Beenhakker laying into the linesman for not disallowing Poland's goal. Lets see some consistency from managers as well as referees eh?

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posted Jun 13, 2008

I think Howard Webb did an excellent job last night. He tried to keep the game flowing and made the right decision to give a penalty. He was in plain sight of the incident and the Polish player pulled down the Austrian.

We have and do see incidencies of this in the Premier League regularly, i think referees are fed up of it and just let it happen, especially if it is hard to make a clear decision. We have seen Gerrard gain the refs attention and then get a penalty for being dragged to the floor.

Howard Webb has made up for the poor performance by Graham Poll at the last World Cup.

Well Done Webb.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

IT WAS A PENALTY! <cool>

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posted Jun 13, 2008

I've just seen the incident and think Mr Webb got it right. I didn't see the whole game so don't know if he showed consistency of not though...

I'm sure I read somewhere that refs had been instructed to clamp down on this sort of thing, and if he had just warned them about it then fair play.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Referees were told to clamp down on pushing, shoving and shirt pulling at corners, free kicks etc.
Webb has done that (correctly) and is being lambasted.
A good decision, I wish other referees would follow suit.

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comment by Chris Q (U1657197)

posted Jun 13, 2008

I think if I was the manager I would show some of my anger at the stupidity of giving away such an unnecessary penalty 30 seconds from the end of the game.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Its a penalty, no question. He warned them a minute earlier to stop the pulling then right in front of him he decides to haul him down. If that was elsewhere on the pitch it would have been a foul so why would it not be in the box?
Im glad he gave it, i just hope the other ref's follow suit and start giving these type of decisions. Why have we accepted that its ok to pull another player all over in the penalty box. Its not within any of the 17 law's of the game so it shouldn't happen, simple as that.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Let's not give the Beenhakker's opinion on this too much publicity.

One player pulled another to the floor, the ref saw it, decided it was a foul. End of story really.

I only wish that all this pushing and pulling was clamped on more. I think it's poor form for apologists to say 'it's part of the game'. Just one of those things really. Someone was always going to complain if such a decision goes against them.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

We're all quick to slate refs when they get it wrong, and I think it's about time we praised them when they get it right. Howard Webb got it right with the penalty decision, and if I was wearing one, I'd take my hat off to him for giving the penalty.

Whether it was the last minute of the game, or the first minute is irrelevant. He saw a foul, and gave a penalty. Well done Howard Webb.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Its definately a penalty, read the rules, Any tugging of the shirt especially in the box that the referee sees should give a penalty, and any ref that doesnt has had a bad game

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Well done Mr Webb, completely correct.

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comment by jonkent (U9189500)

posted Jun 13, 2008

Absolutely a penalty, wish more would be given, shirt pulling is the bane of the modern game. Along with feigning injury and arguing with the referee obviously !!

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Although it was techincally a penalty I have to ask why Howard Webb thought that the last minute of injury time was the correct time to take action
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Because that's when the foul occurred?

And the Polish guy can't even say he wasn't warned- it's ridiculous that anyone is contesting this decision.

Face it, if Webb hadn't given it we'd be hearing about how he "bottled it".

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posted Jun 13, 2008

yes

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posted Jun 13, 2008

It doesn't matter if it was the last minute or the first, it was penalty.

As you say FluorescentImp, the Poland manager was not quick to complain about being given an offside goal. Managers never mention the freebies they get away with do they?

Well done Howard.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

All the countries were warned about ref's clamping-down on the shennigans in penalty boxes at corners & free kicks; it's not Webb's fault the Polish player showed a complete lack of discipline and committed a foul under the laws of the game.

My concern is this sets a precedent for all next season's matches at all levels around Europe (at least); they've stated an intention so now it must be enforced everywhere. Same goes for bookings given for all forms of dissent such as arguing, gesturing & kicking the ball away. We might start seeing 11-a-side matches finish as 5-a-side's until players, managers & clubs learn to follow the rules of the game.

I just hope they sort out the offside rule; I'm more confused than ever after the decisions this week! <doh>

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posted Jun 13, 2008

good job howard webb the penalty decison was 100% correct. well done to the uefa for supporting webb. it was a foul in the box therefore a penalty should be awarded.

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comment by jb1974 (U1678826)

posted Jun 13, 2008

Well he was right to give the penalty as long as he hadn't ignored every other example of this for the previous 90 mins...

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posted Jun 13, 2008

deffo was a penalty and shuld be called more often
bcoz although yeah attakers dive, defenders subtle fouls are probably the cause of it
even in training ne guys is always tugging my shirt and pushes me slightly in the back b4 i go for a header coz a defender can quite easily get away with that

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comment by madnorm (U3514996)

posted Jun 13, 2008

Webb got it spot on last night, definitely a penalty.

And for all the commentators & reporters that say there would be 20 penalties each every game, do you really think players would be stupid enough to carry on pulling shirts if they knew everytime they did it there would be a pen? or do you think they'd defend properly without resorting to shirt pulling?

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posted Jun 13, 2008

so u want him to blow up earlier wen there is no foul to give =s. just because its the final minute doesnt mean he can bottle out.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Webb was correct in awarding the penalty. Frankly, if Poland are'nt good enough to stick more than one goal past Austria, then they don't deserve to progress to the last 8 anyway.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Nailed on penalty, the simple fact is that if you don't shirt pull theres 0% chance of you conceding a penalty, to be honest more should be given even if it means that for a few weeks each game has at least 2 pens because if teams started to get penalised for it everytime they do it then it wouldn't happen.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Of course it was a penalty.It's about time that thuggery in the penalty box was stamped out. Man handling an opponent cannot be right. Time and time again there is pushing and shoving . Good for the ref.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Do you think he would have given it if the Polish goal was given offside?

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posted Jun 13, 2008

I think its about time seeing as there are many times when shoving happens and its a free out so why shouldnt penalties be given if the defenders shove.


Incredibly stupid of the Polish defender to foul in the box in the last minute from a nothing free kick and he should take all of the blame

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posted Jun 13, 2008

As a referee myself he would have been given more stick if he had not given the penalty and rightly so as it was clearly a foul. Brave world-class decision by a world-class official. Would you rather see Rob Styles refereeing as our representative?!? I think not...

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comment by DPanna (U4000762)

posted Jun 13, 2008

If it had been at the Austrian end he would never have given it. The Austrians were given almost every descision last night, they effectively had a 12th man on the pitch. I can sympathise with Poland after witnessing the robbery in Korea in 2002. This isn't as bad, but there was definately a lot of descisions going the host's way.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Penalty without a doubt. Its nice to see an english referee clamp down on these things. I can remotely see why the offside wasn't given or wasn't seen at least, but at the end of the day, you have to give a decision when you see fit, the decision was there to give, they had been warned a second earlier, so lets hope this gives teams a warning...players get enough money from football, lets have some discipline and dignity now.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Definitely a penalty. Understand the complaints that there may have been other similar incidents ignored in the game and to give this one in last minute perhaps a little frustrating for Poland, but still a clear cut pen. Point really is that Refs gave them every time this happened instead of as inconsistently as they do, the shirt pulling in the box would stop because a player would know, without doubt, if the ref sees it he's going to award the pen. Sadly that's not the case and Beenhakkers problem is, like every other player and manager, they're so used to getting away with that stuff they actually don't think it is breaking the laws of the game. It's them that needs educating not Howard Webb!

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posted Jun 13, 2008

absolutely 100% a penalty as stated by the rules of the game. well done howard webb and let this be an example to other referees worldwide.

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comment by kevin (U11012360)

posted Jun 13, 2008

of cors its a pen... webb got it spot on and replays just justify it further!!!

i think the poles are just sour as they are now out of it.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Sorry to disagree with most of you but I saw it as a mega soft penalty shout.
There was virtually nothing in it and a dodgy decision to give a penalty based on that has ultimately swung a match and eliminated Poland.
If penalties were given every time a shirt is touched or pulled then fair enough but so many fouls go unpunished that to call a penalty based on that is pretty shocking and definitely controversial.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

it was a soft penalty, no doubt but a penalty none the less. Especially as two seconds before that he stopped the free-kick from being taken to tell them to cut it out.

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comment by kevin (U11012360)

posted Jun 13, 2008

this decision was like the 2002 world cup between ireland and spain when shirt pulling resulted into a pen.... long time ago i kno but these have been given on the big stage b4.

great english referee gets it spot on. at least he didnt dish out 3 yellows to the same player lol

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posted Jun 13, 2008

If penalties were given every time a shirt is touched or pulled then fair enough

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the thing is that it should but most refs dont have the guts to give a pen for pull jersey. maybe they should do the same as gaelic and give a 14 yard free for a small foul inside the box

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posted Jun 13, 2008

I always hate to see the result of a match be decided by a refereeing decision.
It always gets my heckles raised.
Penalties in particular I believe should be decided by video replay and a second opinion by the 4th official before it is allowed to stand.
Way too many games are won or lost on penalties and direct free kicks.

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comment by Tolmar (U6003848)

posted Jun 13, 2008

Webb appeared correct to me. He already made Austria retake the free kick because of some shirt pulling argy bargy earlier. It seems that the first incident may have influenced the penalty decision.

As an aside, why aren't managers allowed to criticise match officials? Everyone is allowed to disagree with a ref's decision, so why punish someone over freedom of speech. I suppose one reason is that UEFA can't stand criticism of it's officials, which suggests that the majority make mistakes. To have no disclosure and to chastise freedom of speech is clearly fascist.

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comment by fahqui (U1678018)

posted Jun 13, 2008

He had already warned them seconds earlier about pushing in the box. Then one of the Polish players appeared to hit one of the Austrians in the face and had Webb seen that they may also have had a red card as well as a penalty against them!!

How stupid can you be?? Given a clear warning which they chose to ignore!! Good and fair refereeing!!

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Iffy and inconsistent given that such contact is constantly allowed in the penalty box (the shove by the Austrian leading to the free-kick being retaken was more blatant).

Technically it was right,although as I say inconsistent.
& there's no way as that Buffoon Gaillard said he was pulled to the ground, there was a bit of shirt tugging (a lot less than had been let go previously) and the Austrian let his knees fold (very RVN) and flung himself to the ground.

Unless there's a very distinct change in approach if this is the benchmark we;ll have 10+ penalties a game and very few Italian defenders playing 45 never mind 90 mins.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

theres something being made out of nothing here. The Poles are just sour.

Poland, and the Pole who committed the foul, should be taking responsibility rather than pointing the finger at someone else.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Nice one Howard. Another spot on decision from the best referee the Premiership has seen in a long time.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

To have given a penalty based on that incident then Webb must have already had it in his mind that he was going to give one if he saw even the slightest push/pull.
Even in slow motion it looks like nothing.
I saw the incident on the news and my initial and totally unbiased view was "NO WAY WAS THAT A PENALTY."
The fact that it swung the result of the match in injury time makes it stink all the more.
Booooo Booooo Mr Webb.

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posted Jun 13, 2008

It was a quality decision by a quality official. Howard web is by far the best referee in the premiership and deserves to be representing us in Euro 2008. If the defender doesn't grab hold of the shirt then there is no decision to give but as soon as you start pulling on shirts in your own penalty box you can't then complain when the ref sees it and gives a penalty against you. Simple really.

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comment by U9478095

posted Jun 13, 2008

Technically speaking a penalty but come on how many times do people push and shove in the box?

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Yes it was a penalty, but the point here is again about the inconsistency amongst different referees (sometimes even from the same ref in the same match!)
EUFA claimed that clamping down on this jostling / fouling in the box would be a big thing in this tournament - but, sorry folks, it just ain't happening!!

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posted Jun 13, 2008

devonsurfer - the fact that you saw the incident on the news means it probably never showed him stopping the free-kick to tell the Poles to cut it out!!

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posted Jun 13, 2008

Reaper of Souls
Disagree. If refs applied the laws of the game then watch how this sort of thing would die out quickly. Diving in the box has certainly diminished lately when yellow cards are handed out for it.

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