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comment by JobyJak (U5992775)

posted Jun 5, 2008

I have had enough of all this moral bo**ox.

We live in a dog eat dog world, you only have to watch popular shows like The Apprentice and Dragons Den to realise what the real world is like. Everyone is in it for themselves and themselves alone.

Who can blame Dwain Chambers for challenging an illegal law so he can be the best he wants to be and support his family? It's easy for the armchair critic to judge and condemn him but they would do exactly the same if they were in the same situation.

Dwain Chambers wants to compete at an INTERNATIONAL event and is allowed to do so under international regulations. How Britain can ban him from an international event makes no sense to me if he has passed all international regulations!

If I were Dwain, I would say Britain can Sod-off and I will race for any other country in the world as they would allow me to pursue my lifelong dream in this ever increasing selfish capitalist world full of self-satisfying moral crusaders!

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posted Jun 5, 2008

I might agree if he were excluded by an IOC law not a silly by-law of the BOC. When all countries agree to abide by no drug use at all then a lifetime ban would be appropriate.
Dwain has been punished and served his sentance but in the eyes of the law this ban will be seen to be useless as there are no objections being voiced from the IOC yet!!!!!

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posted Jun 5, 2008

to put it very simply Dwain Chambers is a ratings winner. Sports on TV is about entertainment and alot of people will want to watch Dwain compete. Who can name another sprinter? I cant. Its so very boring and dismal at the moment.

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posted Jun 5, 2008

It's easy for Lord Coe to get on his high horse, he's had an easy ride but I vote for Chambers to be given a chance to make a living out of his talent too. Then he could stand for parliament too, but would probably not be selected for a tory safe seat.

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posted Jun 5, 2008

The article here is complete B*** S***.

Let Dwain run, he's served his time under international law.

And by the way, ben johnson should definietly hve his gold back. carl lewis and Linford christie (silver and bronze at those games) have also tested positive, so Ben isn't different to those whom we gave the medals to... and probabaly the whole 8 athletes in the final.

Stop the moral BS.

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posted Jun 5, 2008

he served his time.

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posted Jun 5, 2008

Second chances are for for those learning,
that is school kids, and definitely not those who were unable to achieve champion results without drugs.He (Dwain)should just educate
youth of the consequences of drugs,he's a perfect example.
The only second chance he should have is before a commitee where they'd reitereate that he's banned and the precise reasons which certainly would include the effects of such rulings on future violators.
JobyJaks comments only emphasise the need for continuing the enforcement of unwavering rules. These rules I'd agree with even if it was my own offspring,and I do have one who's an athlete.

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comment by U4288834

posted Jun 5, 2008

This annoys me - i don't condon what DC did however he wanted to win, he believed (and is proven right) that SOME the other sprinters were doing it so he did it. He got caught and did his time - so why cant we forgive him?

Do we hate winners in Britain so much that our only realitic (slim i know) hope of a medal will not compete, after he surved his punishment?

Face it Britain hates people who wan't to win at all costs.

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posted Jun 5, 2008

I've had enough of this carp of ppl like Seb Coe and Kelly Holmes and all the ppl who follow these idiots, such as the author of this article.

HE TOOK DRUGS
HE WAS CAUGHT
HE HAS ACKNOWLEDGED HIS MISTAKE

Let him compete and let's move on. These ppl need to learn to live with it.

IMO - It is not Dwain and his former drug taking that's ruining athletics - it is the stupid mindless ppl like 'Lord' Coe who keep going on about the drugs.

For God's sake - maybe if he stopped crying about it everytime and making such a big issue out of it, everybody wouldn't be thinking about taking drugs.

Geez - change the tune, and give this fine athlete the chance to represent his country.
He has repented and is the best sprinter we have.

Now plz - for everyone's sake - close the case and shut up about it all

AGGGGGHHHHHHHH

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comment by Silky (U9884234)

posted Jun 5, 2008

Lord Coe has a fetish for the limelight and just loves getting his mug in there doesn't he?
The man has his head in the sand if he think Chambers is and was the only person using banned substances.
The man does protest too much. Perhaps some of the truths which could come out could further tarnish is limelight-hogging Olympic show.
He sounds like a kid with his fingers in his ears screaming.
Pathethic. But what do you expect from the man who referred to "jive talking" Christie?

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posted Jun 5, 2008

For any athlete, representing Great Britain is an honour not a right. In my opinion drugs cheats such as Dwain Chambers have disgraced both the sport and the country. He should not be able to represent GB again.

In fact, I think that other athletes should refuse to run against him. I am also of the opinion that drugs cheats should also be prosecuted for fraud, how much money has Dwain made from cheating?

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posted Jun 5, 2008

Like I said, when we get comments like you see above, all the more reason to maintain unwavering rules.This helps those drug-free athletes stand a better chance to gain medals in an honourable manner.
Too bad that there are so many people around that have absolutely no concept of discipline.
Also bear in mind that the penalty for drug influenced athletic performance is to be banned & that means exactly that.
Ask yourself this: would you want an airline pilot or train driver convicted of drug taking, flying your plane or driving your train when given a "Second Chance" ?
If a person is so weak & such a coward then he/she has no place on any team of any description.Anyone that advocates that this is bull.... has already had their minds "blown" by drug use !!

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comment by JobyJak (U5992775)

posted Jun 5, 2008

"Too bad that there are so many people around that have absolutely no concept of discipline."

You almost sound like God. If only we could lock 'em all up and throw away the key!

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posted Jun 5, 2008

>>> Anyone want to give Ben Johnson back his gold medal and world record ? I don't think so.

What does that have to bear on this case? Is anyone suggesting such a thing here? Nope.

>>> Chambers knowingly broke the rules of fair competition and should not be allowed to compete again

And he wasn't allowed to compete for 2 years. As per his punishment. If a lifetime ban is what the authorities thought he should have, why did they not give him one?

He has served his time and should be given the chance of rehabilitation.

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posted Jun 5, 2008

Re: JobJak
Thanks for making my point.

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posted Jun 5, 2008

it would be if the BOA has held this stance with zero exceptions but there have been over a dozen successful appeals to the ban - appeals to the BOA, not some other group.

Coe knows this as does everyone else involved. it's just now popular to be harder on the former cheats. Give him his appeal and move on.

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posted Jun 5, 2008

bioFather is stupid!!

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comment by Andy (U9018121)

posted Jun 5, 2008

Coe is pathetic about Chambers, perhaps he does protest too much, wonder why?
Chmabers has done his time, let him compete and we should support him, wrt to the Olympics what is the world norm, lets stick to that.

The way Coe and the UK Athletics people are acting around this is so sad, they gave him his punishment and they just can't let it go - sad people.

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posted Jun 5, 2008

This saga annoys me - he got caught and served a ban > now let him compete again! If the punishment was a life ban then I wouldn't complain (in fact it should be), but it isn't and he has served his ban. Endof discussion. The british rule banning him from the olympics is contrary to other nations and unfair in my opinion. Should be standardised.

The solution would be change the rules!

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posted Jun 6, 2008

In one breath, Coe witters on about Chambers destroying athletics, and then this sentence pops up...

"The BOA is now the only national Olympic committee to maintain such a hard-line stance."

Now, either I'm being a bit thick, or this is getting personal. Lord Coe, if he wants to stamp out drugs cheats, should champion this ruling WORLDWIDE.

Then, it'll be a level playing field. Until then, we're playing catch-up on drugs cheats.

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posted Jun 6, 2008

How come Chambers is being hated so much. He's served his time, no-one's questioning Uhurogo's right to be at Beijing, and its still not fully know why she missed her tests.

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comment by JEz (U2137165)

posted Jun 6, 2008

As part of Chambers punishment, as laid down in British Olympic Association rules, is that any competitor convicted of using drugs to enhance performance is not allowed to compete for Great Britain and Northern Ireland at any Olympic games. Chambers knew this when he chose to cheat therefore why is he bleating now? Chambers, and all other cheats, should be hounded out of the sport. In fact, and I don't wish this on any one normally, I hope that in competition soon he either gets caught again and or gets injured so he can't run! In fact, should Chambers win and run at the Olympics I will support every other athlete before I acknowledge any 'victory' that Chambers may achieve. Lord Coe is quite right in his comments and I applaud and salute him for his stance.
Finally compare the selfish attitude of Chambers to Michael Johnson. MJ is such an honourable man that he is to return his relay gold won when the rest of his team were doped to the eyeballs. He has admitted that he cheated (he didn't personally but by association.) A gesture that whining, worthless men such as Chambers would never even contemplate.
Finally, giantcrashtestdummy, Lord Coe is championing this world wide by trying to ensure that we lead the world in Britain in ostracising and hounding our own cheats. Whilst there are people such as Coe and Michael Johnson in athletics the sport stands a chance.

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posted Jun 6, 2008

And another thing, I find it hard to take Coe seriously when he goes on about ethics seeing as he's being employed by FIFA!!!!!

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posted Jun 6, 2008

Can you prove that he hasnt benefitted from his abuse of performance enhancing drugs?

Think about it.

Did taking those drugs allow him to train harder therefore making him stronger and fitter.

Whats to say he still isnt benefitting now?

Thats why I don't believe drug cheats should ever be allowed to compete again, because we just dont know how much it has affected them on a permenant basis

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posted Jun 6, 2008

chambers should go to beiging if he qualififes--i cant believe the article i read in the mail about ben johnson an the american camp---and that most of the sprinters in souel were all taking drugs--i really cant understand coe---i think it has something to do with his legacy--as in 2012, chambers could well be pushing for a medal...and coe woudlnt want him on the podium--is he still an MP? i wouldnt want him has mine- he spends most his time moaning about chambers!

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posted Jun 6, 2008

He broke the rules and he was perfectly aware of the punishment when he did so, therefore he has no argument and should not be allowed to run at the Olympics. If his appeal is granted and he is allowed to run then what is the point of having such a rule?

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posted Jun 6, 2008

Suggesting that Dwain Chamberís return to living and competing is the same as Ben Johnson being handed back his gold medal and world record is deliberately disingenuous or worse. Benís record was clearly drug enhanced and obviously shouldnít be handed back. Dwain deserves to be allowed back into clean competition. We must not be railroaded by an overzealous tiny minority who want to make life imprisonment the punishment for every crime. For the avoidance of any confusion, I must make it clear that I am fundamentally against crime, drugs and cheating; but we must not drift towards a society in which anyone whoís strayed into prison is banned from returning to normal life. Dwain Chambers has already been fairly punished, so letís please stop all these outrageous campaign against the man. He is right to take his Olympics ban to the courts. If the courts decide that the ban is unjust, then we must respect that decision and get behind Dwain. Please help promote a fair society in the 21st century.

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posted Jun 6, 2008

Chambers can got to Beijing as a commentator, then he can point out to us viewers who is clean and who is dirty.

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posted Jun 6, 2008

IMHO anyone that gets caught should not be allowed to compete at any future Olympic Games. I'm SO glad that some step towards this is being taken by the IOC now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/7438862.stm

Its just a pity that it can't come into effect BEFORE this year's Olympic games.

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comment by U6170180

posted Jun 6, 2008

It is actually ex athletes who are stoking this. They could be described as self serving over the livings of current and future athletes. After all the media loves messages of simplistic good and evil, right and wrong and these self righteous individuals get paid to supply them (directly or indirectly). Anyone with say a liberal intelligent problem tackling rational agenda with a perspective beyond simpltonism and sports will go the way of candidates in elections who are not somehow being Tough on everything.

Many of these retired athletes have links to infamous sweat shop using manufacturers and are indeed considered global ambassadors for them. Ditto the whole Olympic movement. So have the moral authority of the Sudanese govt.

I really think, like our country nationally, people in glass houses should not throw stones at others. After all whilst Chambers is not someone who I could regard much above pathetic and arguably hurts himself more than others he ain't the only one.

The Chambers World Indoor row earlier in the year was entirely created by the cretinous sanctimony of commentators and UKA (an act of self harm and stupidity that simply defied rational explanation).

Fact is Chambers will not be the only previously dis-qualified athlete to compete at the games for UKA if he wins his appeal.

Why the likes of Coe want to single him out is baffling.

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comment by laouane (U3591919)

posted Jun 6, 2008

chambers says that none can win a medal without using drugs !! and what he wanted now? an medal? then he wil need drugs for a medal right?

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posted Jun 6, 2008

He's done his time, and should be allowed a second chance.
I assume that he must now be one of the most tested athletes out there. If he's clean let him compete. If he fails another test, game over - simple as that.
Also, why is it always Chambers that is highlighted as the bad boy. Carl Myerscough did exactly the same, has also represented GB following his ban + broke the British record, and is also challenging the BOA ruling?

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posted Jun 6, 2008

I think that that there are two issues:-

1. Do we want to have cheats in sport - The Moral Issue

2. Having completed a lawfully imposed sentance does an organisation have a right to unilaterally impose a further 'sentance' for the same offence.


I agree with those who agree with the moral arguement that cheats should be banned for life. However, that is not the sentance that was handed to Chambers and that is the fault of the sentancing/legislative authorities not Chambers.

The legal arguement to me is also very clear - Chambers has served his penalty and as such has an absolute right to compete again. I'm sorry to those of you who don't like it but legally there is nothing that can prevent it. Those who dislike this fact should consider two issues:-

1. Why not vent your bile on the Authorities who govern the sentancing and handling of cheats - you would if you were sentanced six months for murder.

2. The importance in civil society of the right to a fair trial followed by a right to return to your previous life once you have served your sentance.

Therefore in summary, despite and blushes it might cause, if Chambers qualifies he should allowed to run.

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comment by Miloudi (U5393084)

posted Jun 6, 2008

I think it is completely stupid to ban Chambers from Olympics but not from world championships or European championships. And to be honest they are all taking drugs so let it be legal and have 100m around 7s. And after a generation of athlete dying around 40, things will change and come back to normal. Sorry to be cynical!

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posted Jun 6, 2008

Re: Miloudi's comments above...

I have 2 words for you...FLO JO!! The only woman even close to her 20 year old WR is Marion Jones. Hmm...wonder what she's up to now!!

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posted Jun 6, 2008

Re JULATSA comment.I'm glad to see that very tue comment.
This is a major reason why the ban should remain in force.
Those that don't understand this truth don't fully realise the the continuing effects (& possible "Topping-up")
of drug taking,or can't comprehend it as they are themselves violators.

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comment by JobyJak (U5992775)

posted Jun 6, 2008

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion based on their own beliefs, but there comes a time where we have to have a fair and equal way of treating everyone, and that is called law and the right to a fair trial.

Anybody who can't see this is just as ignorant as Dwain when he took the drugs and UKA chief Neil De Vos who is using Dwain as a scapegoat for every drug taker that has ever lived!

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posted Jun 6, 2008

I wanda if sebastian coe has become the new judge dredd!

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posted Jun 7, 2008

Every one is missing th point here - Athetics and Olympic Sport is professinal and a business venture. Chambers defence against he bye-law will be based on business restraint - Restraint of his ability to trade, to make an honest income. He can't be blamed for a tarnished sport and that that Athletics is big money can he. In the business world people get punished and return to business. Get real - wake up and smell the coffee everyone who is anti-Chambers competing, this is not some perverse Victorian concept of sport, nor can he be expected to be a role model to young kids - many of our business leaders are ruthless and cut corners to make money.

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posted Jun 7, 2008

My argument with this is quite simple. Chambers cheated and did so in the knowledge that if he was caught he would be banned from all athletics for a period of 2-4 years, and from competing for GB in the Olympics forever. He got caught.

He served his main ban, he can now make money from athletics again. He still can't compete at the Olympics (as he should have known from the start) but that isn't going to make him money (aside from potential raised profile and subsequent advertising revenue - but who wants to be associated with a notorious (as the press have made him, rightly or wrongly) drug-cheat).

Chambers should follow the lead of David Millar (who inccidentally would have more chance of an olympic medal than Dwaine) who is getting on with his post doping career at a level fractionally below that during the time he was doping, and just accept that the olympics is no longer a possibility.

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comment by JobyJak (U5992775)

posted Jun 7, 2008

UK Athletics is the only National organistaion that employs this rule for an International event such as the Olympics. If Dwayne wants to challenge this rule as an infringement on his human rights in a Court of law he has every right to do so.

Look how many prisoners have successfully challenged the Home Office and been given large comepnsation packets because of the European law on Human Rights.

Some people here are questioning Dwaynes right to challenge the ruling. He's not saying he's going to run at the Olympics, he' saying he's going to challenge the rule in court, because he deems it unfair. He has every right to do that, it his human right.

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posted Jun 8, 2008

She died of a brain failure, I really should look up stuff, prior to writing things.

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posted Jun 8, 2008

Dwain Chambers is now saying that by being banned from athletics that he is being denied a right to make a living and therefore his human rights are being breached. Is this the same Dwaine who knowingly took perfofmance enhancing drugs before competing against other athletes who were also trying to make a living from the sport?. What about their human rights being breached?. or does that conveniently get swept under the carpet. He has demanded that the general public support him but why should anyone show any kind of support to someone who has cheated them too. I am sure many people paid their hard earnes cash to go along and see him perform, probably when he was doped up,
I wonder how he feels about that? or perheps he was too busy counting his pay packet at the time.
A CHEAT is a cheat is a cheat no matter how you dress it up or try to justify or excuse it.
and there is no place in any sport for it. He deserves everything he gets i have no sympathy for him

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comment by JobyJak (U5992775)

posted Jun 8, 2008

Why do all opponents of Dwain always revert to blaming him for all cheats in sports, it is getting tiresome. He has every right to do what he is doing. He is playing by the rules.

Surely even his harshest critics must admit that he has been targeted and tarnished publicly like no other athlete in British history. You have to give him credit for finding the drive to keep going.

The facts are he served a two year ban and is considering challenging a British only Olympic by-law to let himself compete at the Olymics. Why does everyone have such a personal problem with him for doing this? It can only have been influenced by other sources i.e the media, ex-athletes etc.

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posted Jun 9, 2008

I am not anti-Chambers, I am anti-cheats, whether they be in Sport, Business etc. By condoning one cheat, we are condoning all cheats. None of us like to be cheated and closing our eyes just to one cheat is leaving the door open to everyone. I agree that my morals will not be shared by everyone but in the competitive world of Sport,Business and Politics, I feel that rooting out every cheat rather than making excuses on their behalf will make the world a better place to live in.

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posted Jun 9, 2008

Sir Jakey

The BOA are nto the only client for freelance athetles, that one group choose to apply a restricition on who they might "employ" to comepte at a single event hardly looks to me like restraint of trade.

If tyhe Olympics were the only avenue, or if everyone got together and said they woudln't have him in any atheltics event that woudl perhaps be restraint of trade.

Personally I woudl not be allowed to continue in my job if I were to have committed gross misconduct. Any future reference would mention this sacking and I woudl be unemployable in the role I currently have. Dwaine committed gross misconduct, the BOA as an employer doesn't "employ" people who have committed this sort of gross misconduct.

I know it is convenient for peope to think that past misdemeanours shodul always be disregarded but they aren't. Embezzle money and you won't get another job in finance, do somethign to ruin your CRB and you will never work with kids, get struck off as a doctor you'll not be a doctor again.

In Dwaine's situation he is basically a contractor, the BOA has chosen that contractors that cut corners don't get hired again. That is surely good business practice, or would you hire someone who had appeared on "House of Horrors" or "Rogue Traders"?

It's one thing to let someone run again it's another to let them represent your organisation, with all the negative publicity and loss of sponsorship should they repeat their former misdemeanours.

As it stands Chambers can still be an athlete, the BOA aren't stopping him doing that, they just don't want to employ a contractor with a "gross misconduct" charge against him who has previously cut corners, in case it tarnishes their reputation.

Personally I think they are right, and will be annoyed if this decision is overturned. The law will basically ssay that employers have no right to choose their employees based upon whether they have been charged with gross misconduct. I guess that woudl mean that references woudl be illegal.

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