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SIR ALEX STANDS ALONE

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posted May 21, 2008



Bob Paisley won THREE European Cups in nine years. Slur Alish only 'stands alone' in your feeble mind. Get wise, screff!

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comment by deleted (U3765986)

posted May 21, 2008

Except Paisley and Clough (who won it with little Notts Forest)

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posted May 22, 2008

The European Cup was easier to win in those days. It's a different beast now.

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comment by gman75 (U3295596)

posted May 22, 2008

You fool! Bob Paisley, having won 3 European Cups can be considered truly great among British Managers. Granted 'Sir' Alex has won alot of league titles, but he will never win 3 European Cups, he does not have time left to do it, nor in such a short space of time that Paisley did it. He will be driven to equal and even beat Liverpool's League record but I hope he fails because of the remarks he made about Liverpool, he's a sad red nosed old man with a big chip on his shoulders.

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posted May 22, 2008

PAISLEY by far ...NO DOUBT!

Paisley did it all in only 9 YEARS!!! Ferguson has been trying for over 21 yesr to beat him...LOL

In addition the European Cup was NOT easier to win before at all...what rubbish. In fact only true champions were allowed into the competition and you could not afford to lose games like you can in the Champions League and still get through!!

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posted May 22, 2008

In addition the European Cup was NOT easier to win before at all...what rubbish. In fact only true champions were allowed into the competition and you could not afford to lose games like you can in the Champions League and still get through!!
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Poor reply.

The fact that there was only one champion from each league meant that the European Cup had one team from each strong league (Spain, England, Italy) and the rest of the teams made up from poorer leagues. So, in reality, you were up against possibly only 2 decent sides.

Nowadays you can end up playing the top three in Spain in the same competition.

I'm not saying it's a better competition now, only that it is more difficult to win.

Oh yes, it was easier in the good 'ol days.

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posted May 22, 2008

"Bob Paisley won THREE European Cups in nine years. Slur Alish only 'stands alone' in your feeble mind. Get wise, screff!"

How many teams were in the european cup back then? how many countries? how much did players cost back then? How many matches led to the final?

It was a different european cup, different set up.

Not relevant, just another nostalgic clutching at straws.

Sir Alex Ferguson, truly the greatest manager of the MODERN game.

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comment by gadfly (U1705308)

posted May 22, 2008

Alex Ferguson has been an extremely successful manager throughout his career, no matter what club he has managed. Like all the the other great Scottish managers he evinces utter ruthless, fearlessness, compassion, common sense and football nous in every fibre of his being. It's a Glasgow thing!
The resources at Utd have helped greatly in his climbing to his present elevated status in the game but Hugh McIlvanney would tell you that Ferguson learned his craft by spending a great deal of time with Jock Stein, who, when he talked football, saw everyone else clam up and listen. Fergie listened well.
The greatest managers would tell you who the man was..... it was Stein. He was universally respected, admired and loved, the last attribute being the one that Fergie still has to achieve. Sir Alex has all the same canniness of Stein but will only ever equal him, never better his acumen as a manager.

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posted May 22, 2008

I cannot believe you wrote this. To be a great manager, a true legend, like Busby and Paisley, you need both success on the pitch combined with honour & humility. Success on the pitch in the money era is questionable (this is the weakest continental European era imaginable) and leveraged off the back of two last minute freak goals in 1999, and a dodgy piece of Russian turf in 2008. And as for humility and honour...
When Paisley lost, particularly to a smaller club, he would always simply say - "they played better than us". Ferguson is never beaten by a better club, it is always either the referee or linesman. And has anyone noticed how Ferguson has stopped even attending press conferences after matches when he loses, sending his sidekick?
1. Paisley.
2. Busby
3. Clough.

Ferguson will never ever come close.

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posted May 22, 2008

I think Fergie, Paisley and Cloughie are the 3 best we have had. My choice would be Clough though, with a team not expected to win anything. As a manager he was the best for me.
I am not knocking Bob Paisley, but did he not 'inherit' a very good team, and yes improve it, but the building blocks were there for him!

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comment by BELAL (U5211187)

posted May 22, 2008

Bob Paisley took over a winning team if he could build a team from scratch to winning the league and build four great teams and take a small club like Aberdeen to break up the old firm and win a european trophy with them then you could put paisley alongside Sir Alex.

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posted May 22, 2008

Paisley was fortunate enough to take over a very good and already successful squad of players. Sir Alex started from scratch discarded one or two Man U favourites and built the team he wanted promoting young talented footballers.
How many young greats did Paisley produce?

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comment by BELAL (U5211187)

posted May 22, 2008

How many black players did paisley how in his team when Liverpool signed J Barnes he wrote a article saying black players were fast but had no stamina maybe that was a reason he never got knighted.

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posted May 22, 2008

Greatest british managers ever are

Jock Stein
Bill shankly
Bob Paisley
Brian Clough
Sir Matt Busby
Sir Alex Ferguson

All diffrent managers in diffrent times but still managed to achieve greatness for their clubs and country

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posted May 22, 2008

Sir Alex can rightly rank alongside the great managers of the game, but he is not the best imo.

Phil's article claims he had to compete with Abramovich's money, but Utd can buy any player they want, look at the cost of the team that played last night.

So all in all, SIR ALEX STANDS ALONE.... bulls hit.

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posted May 22, 2008

reply to comment by bongofury (U6552224)

posted 31 Minutes Ago

In addition the European Cup was NOT easier to win before at all...what rubbish. In fact only true champions were allowed into the competition and you could not afford to lose games like you can in the Champions League and still get through!!
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Poor reply.

The fact that there was only one champion from each league meant that the European Cup had one team from each strong league (Spain, England, Italy) and the rest of the teams made up from poorer leagues. So, in reality, you were up against possibly only 2 decent sides.


in reply to comment by bongofury (U6552224)

even poorer reply

Nowadays you can end up playing the top three in Spain in the same competition.

I'm not saying it's a better competition now, only that it is more difficult to win.


Your reply is useless, how can you say you have to play the top three is harder than playing just champions! Also you forget to mention that its not just the top 3 but the top 4 which qualify for the champions league. The 3rd or 4th placed team could have finished way behind the champions of a national league

The only reason the format of the champions league was changed was for money not for the true meaning of the Champions league which means champions only!

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posted May 22, 2008

in reply to

How many teams were in the european cup back then? how many countries? how much did players cost back then? How many matches led to the final?


WTF has money and time got to do with it! Pele
played over 20 years ago but still cant be touched by madern players. Maradona played many years ago but here is still no one whi is anywhere near as good as him in the modern gaem. Cruyff is fromj the past again no modern player like him...george best etc etc Need I go on.

Just cos something is in the past doesnt mean it was easier or less of an achievement then...think you better go and have a glass of milk and then finish your homework son!

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posted May 22, 2008

I'm not belittling Liverpool's achievements. As I've stated, the European Cup is harder to win nowadays.

No longer will teams like Panathanaikos, Malmo, Brugges, St Etienne get to the final.

All the dross is now weeded out in the group stages.

And yes, back then you only had to play the champions. But even now, you still have to play the champions.....did that occur to you at all?

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posted May 22, 2008

I agree with this article. Ferguson is unique, forgive my ignorance but I don't know of any other manager that has been in charge of a top european team for so long, wenger must be the closest. In a time where players and managers are shipped in and out willy nilly, ferguson has been constant. "The special one" is not Mourinho, it is Alex Ferguson. I can understand why opposition fan's don't like him, its a british trait to try and bring down successful people, but if you don't like him, you have to respect him.

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posted May 22, 2008

ALEX FERGUSON GREATEST MANAGER OF ALL TIME. THE GUY IS A LEGEND AND NOBODY CAN TOUCH HIM

Only John Terry's slip makes you say that.

Any road, it's the United board that deserve the credit and perhaps Bobby C for sticking with him all these years. How many other mamagers would be allowed that many cracks at the big one? And, as far as the CL is concerned, it is easier to win now because if you're a big club you get to play in it every year and can lose games in the group stages. 1999 would never have happened for Man Utd under the old rules as they were league runner ups the year before.

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posted May 22, 2008

Granted Ferguson is a very, very good manager, but he got Man Utd to flourished with a crop of great youngsters just at the right time, when the Premier League came into being, when the big bucks started flooding into English football. Since the demise of those great youngsters he has had the money to 'buy' most of his success. Yes you need to spend big to win big, but in my mind you don't HAVE TO have tons of trophies to be a great manager. Taking a mediocre team far beyond what is expected of them or winning trophies on a far smaller budget than your competition is also great. You can't say Ferguson is better that Guy Roux or Guus Hiddink for eaxample because they are just not dealing with the same cicumstances. Yes, maybe you can compare Ferguson to Mourinho, Benitez or Wenger but you would struggle to prove that he is 'better' than Mourinho or even Wenger. One one thing that Ferguson is brilliant at is consitently re-building very strong teams and that is why he has been around so long.

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comment by Onloan (U12035314)

posted May 22, 2008

Twadger yes (Sir) Bob did take over a very good side when he took over from Shankly but also had to get rid of some old dead wood you'll find and also bought and helped some wonderful young players come up through the ranks. One of his first signing's being Dalglish also you'll find two young signings he signed that went on to become rocks at either end of the pitch, Hansen and Rush so whats all this rubbish about young greats not being produced by Paisley?! Yes he might of bought them young but helped them develop into world class players. That was just two players to start with and the list is endless. Graeme Souness? Craig Johnston? Sammy Lee? Phil Neal? Well done to the so called anti-royalist and his team last night. Its only on display for a year anyway end of the day laugh

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comment by Marantz (U3939791)

posted May 22, 2008

Sir Alex is a true great.

Although I wanted Chelsea to win last night (I'm southern and want a London club to win the Champs League) losing to Man Utd was not exactly a hardship to bear.

They are the best team to watch and SAF deserves more Champs League victories to his name. Great game and great night.

PS. Now I hope Chelsea or Arsenal will win it next year! winkeye

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posted May 22, 2008

SAF is a very good manager, but I can't agree he is the best ever. Undoubtedly he has brought together 3 good teams, playing good football, but he has had the advantages of a great academy, money, and the status of United to attract top players.
There is no doubt he is a great English League manager and his determination and discipline is admirable. However, I don't think he is a great European level manager- too often he is tactically out-thought on the continent and doesn't seem to trust his sides attacking potential.
Also, I agree with the comment about lacking class- it's a fine line between being determined to win and going too far, showing disrespect to your opponents. I think you can tell he crosses this line too often, demonstrated by his players often terrible attitude towards the referees (although it has to be said both sides last night were disgraceful in hounding the guy)
IMO- Great Managers = Stein, Shankley, Paisley, Clough,
SAF close, but not quite

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posted May 22, 2008

Luvlancs. You cant say Fergie has it easy because of United's stature and then herald Liverpool managers as being better than him. You can make a case for Paisley's trophy haul but everything was put into place by Shankley won less than Fergie. All 3 are great managers but there is no way the two Liverpool fellas are better.

Your bias is clear from the omission of Matt Busby from the list. A man who built 3 teams and hand picked some of the finest British footballers of all time and rose from the ashes of having half of his team whiped out.

Clough was the very best for me but beyond that Fergie is right up there.

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comment by RyanJ (U1863866)

posted May 22, 2008

Of course Sir Alex is the greatest of all time.

I cant belive the ignorance of people on here. Hes not just done it with Manchester United, he did it at Aberdeen way back in the 80s and people forget that. In 8 years there, he broke the old firm domination, winning the title 3 times, (runners up twice) winning the Scottish cup 4 times and winning the Cup Winners Cup, beating Real Madrid no less. And to do all that at a small club like Aberdeen already made him one of the greats. His achivements at ManUnited simply make him the greatest.

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posted May 22, 2008

I'll stand corrected on Busby- he really built United into what it is.
But, I still think the other guys are better. To my mind SAF does have a tendency to limit his players- prime example being Rooney- he was signed as a rampaging forward who went past people and scored goals. Now, he is often isolated or played out of position. I don't think any of the other managers would have wasted such a talent- they would have made him the focal point, ala an Edwards or Daglish

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posted May 22, 2008

Of course Alex Ferguson is a great manager - nobody could win so much unless he had the ability to do so. But I would always stop short of labelling someone as the greatest ever. As someone else said, managers are expected to deal in a variety of different circumstances - Redknapp for example consistently overachieves with lacklustre resources.

It's also impossible to compare players/managers across generations. Someone wrote that Pele and Maradonna are clearly superior to anyone playing the game at the moment, but we should always be careful of those rose-tinted specs. The football they played (and indeed, the very balls they used) was very different to modern football - the very flow of the game has changed drastically due to improvements in fitness standards.

Just don't get carried away is all. Chelsea really should have won last night on the balance of play; Man Utd created little (esp. in second half), whilst Chelsea hit the woodwork twice and were one penalty slip away from winning the whole thing.

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comment by RedSide (U1752463)

posted May 22, 2008

Hard to tell really, he has done a very good job and had the support of the board but at the same he has had a huge backing financially, when you consider in 1989 Man Utd had the worlds most expensive squad and until the arrival of Roman Abramovich Man Utd were head and shoulders above everyone else in England, but theres no denying the job he has done, im sure all the real Man Utd fans and of course the "Premiersheep" Man Utd fans must be happy but to call him the greatest hhmmm im not so sure the English press are too quick to describe anything British as "the greatest" i seen an article the other day about the 5 best European finals and surprise surprise they were all finals with British teams in and indeed won, simply not the case! As for the person who described other clubs as "dross" its that atttude which is the reason for Man Utd one of the most hated clubs in the UK, have some respect for other clubs, a true football fan would, disgrace!

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comment by RedSide (U1752463)

posted May 22, 2008

Just to add another comment, it may have been an easier tournament to win years ago, but it wasnt as easy to qualify for due to the fact it was champions only. So in turn, these things balance themselves out.

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comment by Carior (U3271775)

posted May 22, 2008

Sir Alex = great manager but greatest??

even as a United fan i can admit that Paisley has a good case for that title, and surely Alf Ramsey could also be held in high regard. And here thats just Brits.

He's a great manager but its impossible to say who is the greatest manager of all time.

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posted May 22, 2008

Still debating whether SAF is a great manager? Just check out this: Hargreaves, Tevez, Nani and Anderson, all new players he brought to Old Trafford at the beginning of the season, scored their penalties yesterday night. Let nobody tell me that was a coincidence, he knows how to build great teams.

Even if we had lost yesterday's game, it does not take anything away from the legendary manager. And also, just check out the cabinet for the silverwares, what else do you want?

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posted May 22, 2008

SAF is a very good manager, but I can't agree he is the best ever. Undoubtedly he has brought together 3 good teams, playing good football, but he has had the advantages of a great academy, money, and the status of United to attract top players.
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his trophy haul isimpressive but he has many flaws too, and nobody in the red half of manchester realizes them. he is definitely high up on teh list but not at the top. there are many south americans who do not get credit but they revolutionise the game (ferguson cannot claim to have done that). cattenacio from italy, total football from holland and fullbacks from brazil. these IMO are greats.

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posted May 22, 2008

Sir Alex is now the greatest british manager of all time. 22 years - 10 league titles, 2 European Cups and then the rest.

Ferguson has won more titles than Stein in a harder league.

Shankly started a revolution but unfortunately wasnt around to see the ultimate fruits of his labours. A bit callous I know - but he didnt win as mant tiles as SAF.

Paisley inherited Shankly's great team and added to it. SAF has won more titles than him by creating his own revolution from scratch and continually re-generating it for over 20 years.

Clough was a great manager - but his achievements dont compare to SAF.

I thought he should have quit 4 years ago - but I am very pleased to have been proved very wrong. I'm still not the greatest Queiroz fan in the world - but I will be very happy if SAF stays for years to come.

LEGEND

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posted May 22, 2008

SAF is a good shout for greatest ever manager for 3 reasons.

1) 25 years ago Aberdeen beat Real Madrid for his first European trophy a feat repeated in the same comp in the early 90's with United againt Barcelona
2) 10 League titles
3) 2 CL titles

This is before we start with the various cup wins.

He is now above untouchable.

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posted May 22, 2008

In the modern game Ferguson is best but for all time Clough and Paisley come ahead. Because you had to win your league to equalify for the competition and then not lose a game. Hence MANU only won this cup once before the new format.

And you dont have to be champions of your league to win it, you can lose 4 games and still win the competition, definately easier now.

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posted May 22, 2008

And his 3 scottish league wins.

Why is there even a debate.

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comment by RedSide (U1752463)

posted May 22, 2008

"Still debating whether SAF is a great manager? Just check out this: Hargreaves, Tevez, Nani and Anderson, all new players he brought to Old Trafford at the beginning of the season, scored their penalties yesterday night. Let nobody tell me that was a coincidence, he knows how to build great teams."

How much is the total transfer value of all these players? Possibly 80 million (once the 20 mill for Tevez is agreed) I dont what the point is? Is it that he gets a very healthy transfer budget to create teams? It would appear thats the case!

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posted May 22, 2008

Liverpool fans are ignorant!!!
Shankley and Paisley we're excellent managers and I respect what they have done for Liverpool and English football, but SAF has built quality teams time and time again, first at Aberdeen, then the first league winning United team, then the treble team, and know the best collective of players he's ever built the 07/08 double team!!!!!
The tropheys the man has won:
10 Premier Leauges
6 Charity Sheilds
5 F.A Cups
2 League Cups
2 Champions Leagues (Harder to winthan old cup)
2 Scotish Leauges
2 Scotish League Cups
2 UEFA Cups
1 UEFA Super Cup
1 Cup Winners Cup
1 Inter-continental Cup
Countless personal tropheys.
The man is a Football gaffer god, an excellent role model for those who want to go into management or coaching. He pulled United out of the brink of the 2nd League in 86 and has built the greatest footballing giants, well next to Real Madrid of the 50's to early 90's, the world has ever seen.
Someone convince me Fergie isn't the best manager EVER!!!!! VIVA SIR ALEX!!

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comment by RedSide (U1752463)

posted May 22, 2008

Just to throw a spanner in the works, wasnt SAF in charge of a very good Scotland side in Mexico 1986 that got dumped out of a world cup at the early stages, when in fact they were expected to easily get through?

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posted May 22, 2008

In reply to below

Paisley inherited Shankly's great team and added to it. SAF has won more titles than him by creating his own revolution from scratch and continually re-generating it for over 20 years.


Paisley bought in new players!!

What about Dalglish

What about Rush

What about Souness

Something is correct in your statement Paisley won his trohpies in ONLY 9 YEARS FERGUSON has had 21 YEARS!!

If paisley had 21 years he would be on 10 European Cups and possibly Liverpool would have won another 10 Titles!!!!


PAISLEY didnt whinge or moan like fergusons does either

Paisley didnt have all the cash ferguson does eithe. Manure fans go on at Chelsea yet MANURE have also had plenty of cash to buy titles!!

Taking into account all the above PAISLEY is definetely the best ever!!

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posted May 22, 2008

no, he was bought in as caretaker manager in the run up to the world cup but never managed them in a competitive game.

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posted May 22, 2008

dont think any one manager can be considered the best because its purely a matter of opinion

you could say SAF has won more trophies but paisley won 3 euro cups - it all depends on whta you feel they have achieve personally.

for me he is the best and consistantly continuing to prove he is

well done last utd, big fan here - was quite emotional

hard luck chelsea - i hate you but couldnt help but be gracious in victory last night - not often you feel like that in football, well done you were unlucky, any team could have walked away with it

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posted May 22, 2008

Probably best British Manager but certainly not The Greatest.

There is a list of others and he is certainly not in top. He has a good squad but he can certainly loose the plot where mature teams perform better and manage a victory.

I am not sure of his ability of team selection at times. But hey the man just won CL so he is certainly among the best.

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posted May 22, 2008

"Still debating whether SAF is a great manager? Just check out this: Hargreaves, Tevez, Nani and Anderson, all new players he brought to Old Trafford at the beginning of the season, scored their penalties yesterday night. Let nobody tell me that was a coincidence, he knows how to build great teams."

I'm not sure what your point is, because all these players scored their penalties they are great players? What about those that missed? Ronaldo, Terry, Anelka, these are bad players are they? And as someone else has said, it's not like SAF discovered most of those players, he bought them with the enormous resources at his disposal. Tevez made his name in England with West Ham, Hargreaves had been around for ages with Bayern and Nani, well, has been pretty poor in the second half of the season.

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posted May 22, 2008

In twenty years time SAF will definatly be seen as one of if not the best British manager, 10 domestic titles!

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posted May 22, 2008

Ferguson has ruined the two biggest UK talents in the English game in the last 15 years

Ryan Giggs and now Wayne Rooney

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comment by davser (U1195784)

posted May 22, 2008

Paisley never built a side fom scratch. Fergie has more than once.

There is no debate Fergie is top dog. For what he did with Aberdeen(cheers, made my childhood!) to winning what he has with Utd, all essentially built from scratch sets him apart from Paisley.

Clough you could argue for but it wasn't as though Forest were skint. Trevor Francis won the game against Malmo when he was the most expensive player in the world.

Shanks retired too early. If he'd stayed another 5 years he'd probably be classed as the greatest ever.

NB the money argument is a red herring. Liverpool had more money than say Southend in the 70's, Arsenal have more cash than Leicester. Thats the way it is. Some clus are bigger but as the Dons proved in 83 its not the richest that always win.

It helps though.

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posted May 22, 2008

comment by naijared (U10381096)
posted 25 Minutes Ago

Still debating whether SAF is a great manager? Just check out this: Hargreaves, Tevez, Nani and Anderson, all new players he brought to Old Trafford at the beginning of the season, scored their penalties yesterday night.

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Yeah and Ronaldo (another player he bought to the club) missed! This is possibly the worst measure of greatness I have ever heard!

It is not right to try to compare different managers from different eras - the game was different and so are the resources. People are getting carried away and in doing so are disespecting the fantastic achievements of past managers.

I am not a United nor a Fergie fan but I will say this - he is simply the greatest manager of the modern era - no more, no less.

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