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Murray what a wasted talent

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comment by Ben (U1647575)

posted May 7, 2008

I actually thought he was more aggressive today, tactically he was ok.

The main problem was the amount of errors - all of which seemed to happen on important points; exactly the opposite of what is required to win these tough matches.

I am a bit of a Murray fan - But I am getting really cheesed off with his constant foul language, once in a while even the best players will drop the F-bomb, but he is doing it all the time.

Players get an instant warning for just bouncing a raquet if they crack the frame, yet it is perfectly acceptable to use the F & S words liberally (with kids present in the stands) without the umpire batting an eyelid.

It lacks class and needs to stop NOW. - I mean did you see his coach in the stands? He practically wanted to DIE he was so embarrassed at his players antics.

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posted May 7, 2008

Hingis, Federer, Wawrinka... 3 names from a country of only 7 million inhabitants. Makes you really wonder what's wrong with the UK...

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posted May 7, 2008

He's possibly the most inconsistent player on tour. One day he can bangs aces and destroys an opponent (remember the match against Fed in Dubai); the next he has tempramental problems and he surrenders meekly. Surely he has got to find a coach who can help him. This way, i dont see him winning anything major!!

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comment by Red Fed (U9805245)

posted May 7, 2008

Be careful Ben.... I used the words immature and spoilt and foul mouthed about this little git and was completely bombarded with abuse from another member.

I think he seriously needs a psychologist and fast. He is just a spoilt brat... He is McEnroe but the difference is his temper fired him up.... Murrays does the opposite...

He is a law unto himself and was the same when he was 14... and yes I do bloody know.

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posted May 7, 2008

he gets more passion from losing than from winning
he needs to find a well informed psychologist who can help him resolve his masochism and quickly.

top 50 soon

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posted May 7, 2008

he is so useless.....hasn't the temperment, stamina, or back bone to be a true champion, clearly demonstrated by his performance in the majors and his treament of his 'coaching staff'. So over hyped...AND AGE IS NOT A FACTOR re Nadal.

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comment by SAmmoT (U6683842)

posted May 7, 2008

Poor temparement
Impossible to manage thus Brad Gilbert departing
No tactical acumen
Too defensive and negative
Injury prone

Have to agree with you on all of these points. The sad thing is that some of them are only just starting to creep into his game. We've all known about the temparement for some time and it has to change, it is infurriating because he plays his best tennis when he has a cool head, I dont think he spouted an expleative during the win against federer.

The Gilbert issue could be coming to light now that he is loosing to opponents that he should really be beating. What is most worrying though is the two points about his tactics and his agression. Back in 2007 before he got injured, Murray employed some of the best tactics in the mens game and he was so much more agressive. It seems this year that he has become very passive and not played as well tactically as last year by a long way. Unfortunatly the injury proneness is still a constant worry.

I am a big Murray fan and I think that is great to have a british tennis player to carry on where tim and greg left off and I still believe he is a top ten player. However unless he adresses the issues above he will never graduate to the very peak of the mens game.

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posted May 7, 2008

What is looking more and more obvious is that it was a huge mistake to chsnge his coaching set-up.
Under Gilbert he progressed well until his injury but since the change he has gone backward.
This set-up might make him feel comfortable but it's doing nothing for his game.
I wondered at the time whether he was really mature and experienced enough to make such a decision. So far it seems an emphatic no is the answer.
Murray, it seems needs the iron hand but will he ever accept that fact.

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comment by Andy (U11098221)

posted May 7, 2008

Murray is fast becomming the new Henman. So much hype, yet little delivered. I genuinely believe he has an attitude problem. He thinks he is better than he is!! Grow up Andy and work hard!

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comment by Red Fed (U9805245)

posted May 7, 2008

I have it on very good authority that he is extremely difficult to work with... He doesnt like to be spoken to in a manner in which he feels is dictoral... You have to prove to him that something works tactically before he will have any inclination of doing what has been taught

and boy the last few months have proved that.....

Who could have possibly been better for him than Brad Gilbert.... lets face it.. he wanted rid of him coz he didnt like being told what to do.

Today was the 2nd of Murrays 3 chances I have allowed myself to give him before I no longer support my home nations number 1 player. The first was when he said he would be supporting Paraguay vs England... and yes he retracted that... but the damage was done

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posted May 7, 2008

Far too generous to paint him as an erratic talent. He's actually fairly talented but not too special. Certainly not as special as he thinks.

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comment by vash128 (U7420159)

posted May 7, 2008

wow murray lost, what a surprise...

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posted May 7, 2008

Apart from agreeing with most, if not all the comments, already made.. what finished me completely was when I heard one of the commentators apologise for Murray´s language on court when he missed a shot. When IS he going to grow up

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comment by Giesit (U2922776)

posted May 7, 2008

I have been a fervent supporter of Murray since he started on the ATP Circuit and I believe he does have the talent to win a slam one day, but it's really annoying me how he now seems to meekly surrender matches - you seen his head go down early in the 1st set and as he is losing what a surprise calls for the trainer, typical. Second set he begins to play much better but hes playing far too inconsistently at the moment, he makes too many simple mistakes and seems to hand matches to his opponents - another point with his anger on court, he uses it far too negatively, he needs to focus that energy into winning matches. A change of coaching may be required.

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posted May 7, 2008

To be honest deecoco I dont think they should be apologising for Murrays mouth. O would like to see Umpires right on his case - one warning then poit/ game deductions - that would shut him up.

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posted May 7, 2008

Well I'll stick up for Murray, at least in relation to his talent, if not his on court behaviour.
Have you any idea it is to get to the level he plays at, near the top 10 in the race, won 2 full ATP tournamnets?
Well go find who's next in the British rankings and you'll find out! At least he plays in the proper tour events. It is frightening, but one of the fastest British risers on tour a few weeks ago was Tim Henman. Yes, well and truly retired, but a freak shift of points meant he rose 5 places to c 250, which was better than many of the active players managed.
Murray has talent, but his main problem continues to be his serve. Barely above 50% first serve and only there because he had to take the pace off it to get a few in, given Wawrinka was winning 50% plus on his second serve.
For a guy who is physically capable of 210k plus plus, I could count on one hand the number of serves he got in over 180k.
Of course serve matters a little less on clay, but it's still an essential source of cheap points, to help take the pressure off. Just look at Fed's stats, who lacks Murray's physical power, but would expect 6-8 aces in 2 sets, and at least as many again on service winners.
Murray's ace count- zero.
There's no excuse to this, because he has the natural power that Henman never had, and serves are the easiest to practise and also to technically improve, given it's the only shot when you are pretty much in control of the ball.
I do agree his current coaching team (Correja possibly excepted) are out of their depth.

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posted May 7, 2008

Couldn't agree more with the article. Sure he's talented, but so are all of these guys. He's got the temperament of kid, and reminds me of me playing against my older brother when i was 10 (and losing!)

Look at Nadal, or Djoko, so much more composed, so professional. I'd be very surprised if Murray wins a Masters event let alone a Grand Slam.

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posted May 7, 2008

Yes duggletoo I agree with you. I can say that I cannot appreciate his talent when for the most part all I see is his sulky,defeatest attitude on court.If he is as talented as he and others profess him to be isnt it about time he grew up and acted the professional he is supposed to be. The talent is wasted on him and how many other youngsters would wish they were so blessed.

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posted May 7, 2008

>> wow murray lost, what a surprise..<<

Wow, so did Nadal, Nalbandian and Ferrer - all of them seeded higher than Murray ..... it happens.

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posted May 7, 2008

Oh very true... but they win as well lol

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posted May 7, 2008

Andy Murray won two tournaments at the beginning of the year. I'm pretty sure they required him to defeat his opponents, dee.

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted May 7, 2008

"Oh very true... but they win as well lol"

do they?deeco, can you remind me which atp tourny ferrer and nalbandian have won this year?

i think we british want someone to lose.. else how does our innate talent at moaning get put used to?

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted May 7, 2008

Fedex,

is this true?

"Just look at Fed's stats, who lacks Murray's physical power, but would expect 6-8 aces in 2 sets, and at least as many again on service winners."

find it rather hard to believe that murray packs more physical power than fed.

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comment by Sam_J (U10832416)

posted May 7, 2008

I must say i expected this to be the year Murray would make a real impact, but when you look at the amount of 1st and 2nd round exists its turning into a disaster for him. In the past he's been quite consistent with results so this comes as a surprise to me.

He's going to start doubting himself now so it will be interesting to see how he handles this. No excuses either. He hired a new team of coaching staff around himself to do things his way. And he missed Davis Cup to prepare for the clay court season properly. He isn't looking like the top 10 player people are expecting at the moment. Far from it.

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posted May 7, 2008

No I dont think its because us British want him to lose. What I believe is that if he was any other nationality than British there would not be so many excuses made for him, his ability, his immaturity and his behaviour. Just because he is British I, and I believe, others do not find it acceptable.<sorry>

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comment by adz888 (U3012109)

posted May 7, 2008

He needs a coach dat covers everything. Brad Gilbert did that and what hes doing now with a coach at different areas, doesnt sum to be very effective. It worked at that start but all his coaches have seem to run out of ideas and murray is now well and truly buggered.

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted May 7, 2008

"there would not be so many excuses made for him"

ho hum.. and what excuses are being made for him? other than he being young?which is a fact..

i think any other nation would also have accepted him for what he is and have very realistic expectations of him

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posted May 7, 2008

For example ???

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted May 7, 2008

usa - blake is not treated as the next world beater

india - sania mirza is not regarded as a GS winner

france - has accepted the monfils, phm, are just talented players and no more

thailand - srichakrapan is not regarded as anything but a talented player and no more

iran - shahar peer is a good tennis player no more

need any more? in most of these examples i have i cited, the player in question is probably the only tennis luminary in that nation and has the same tennis stature in that country that murray has

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posted May 7, 2008

murray is an over rated grafter he spoils matchs and is typically hyped by the brits, he is nowhere near the class of nadal or djokovic two of his future peers!

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posted May 7, 2008

Murray isn't a wasted talented but at the minute he's just an overadted talent with little composure and a defeatist attitude just like the rest of Britain thats probably why were so rubbish at sport.
Murray needs someone to teach him to act like a man grow up, stop making exuses and most of all win. He has talent but little discipline and seamingly a lack of desire. The BBC and the world of sport world constantly critise him every time he gets defeated, if we got behind our young players maybe we might get somewhere but from the age of 18 he's had everyone on his back.

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posted May 7, 2008

I know the more one-eyed of the contributors to this and other Murray posts happily condone the foul-mouther side of the spoilt loser, but would you really take your kids to Wimbledon and tell them that he is the player to look up to and copy.
On-court swearing isn't a sign of passion or aggression - it's a sign of poor coaching and/or bringing-up. Mrs. Murray's got a lot to answer for.
Why didn't the LTA make it a condition of the enormous funding Murray and his circus receive that he should set an example as a role model?

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posted May 7, 2008

Hi coolpixel
The answer is, definitely.
Murray has a fastest serve of close to 230kph, and can comfortably hit into the 210's. I've seen him hit 210 plus out wide into the advantage court, which is some hit. Not quite Roddick speed, but top echelons.
Fed's normally 190, but can push into the 200's. I can't recall him going over 210.
On the other hand, he's pretty good at hitting the lines....

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posted May 7, 2008

Murray is a grafter with the same potential as Nadal and Djokovic just the wrong direction and a nation full of losers in every other sport backing him. Get behind him i reckon

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted May 7, 2008

fedex, gotcha.. but then i presume you are talking of body power wrt to serves only? over the whole game i was thinking fed wld have the better body power (if thats the right phrase)

not because fed is any better built, but seems to be more skilful at movement

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posted May 8, 2008

Cool pixel

You're missing the point, Murray made the top ten in the world, which surely does make him a legitimate Grand Slam contender?
What's more it's precisely because he was making real progress under Gilbert and then threw that away by sacking him for little other reason that he actually made him work at the game, throwing away thousands in LTA funding in the process, and has since gone markedly backwards, that people are now starting to get on his back.

Accepting that he's no world beater is not the issue, he plainly was a most of the world beater 18 months ago, it's obvious to most what's changed, so why is it not to Murray and his mum?

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posted May 8, 2008

I don't know exactly what Del Potro said, but his mother deserves whatever it was. Knowing a little about Spanish vocabulary, I can imagine it was some choice phrase. She is a paid "servant" of the LTA and puts herself in the firing line.
Murray should dump his mum.

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted May 8, 2008

chad, anyone in the top 10 ISNT a GS contender. if you go by that, just about anyone in the top 100 is a GS contender, though some of them would require a massive run of luck.

Gasquet and Berdych are in the top 10, so are Blake and Ferrer. are you seriously saying that the four of them could produce consistent tennis over two weeks to win a GS against the current top 4? no way!



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posted May 8, 2008

I am not one of those who dismisses Murray's talent. Prior to this year and right back to the year when he won the US junior championship he has been putting in performances that indicate that he is a potential Grand Slam winner. The trouble with Andy is that he is still at the elementary stage in dealing with the pressures of tennis in the higher echelons. Borg and Federer were obnoxious brats in their youth but succeeded in making that mental transition to the focussed, strong minded great players that intimidate their opponents not by ranting and raving but by their emotionless relentless demeanour. Unfortunately, its taking Andy longer to mentally mature. I don't know the ins and outs of the relationship with Gilbert but I consider the discarding of that coach's services to be a mighty mistake. Did his doting mum give the green light to that decision? If so, it might be better for Andy to get out from under her apron strings and start to think for himself in an adult fashion. If he doesn't address this mental immaturity he could have all the talent in the world but his career will stagnate.

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posted May 8, 2008

coolpixel,to get back on your point re Fed's power on groundstrokes, I'm not a coach, but I'd say hitting a moving ball powerfully calls other criteria into play, such as speed of movement, and getting your feet in the best position, which I would say Fed does more regularly than Murray. So yes, I'd say he is more powerful in that sense.

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted May 8, 2008

gotcha. are you planning to watch doc and fed have a go at it today?

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posted May 8, 2008

I think riverwalk's comments are spot on. Murray has an immense natural talent, but unfortunately has shown poor temperament, and is indeed difficult to work with.I don'tknow how injury prone he is long term, I guess this will be unveiled during the next couple of years. He has the same years more or less as Djoko but Djoko's temperament and maturity are way beyond his years which explains his success rate so far.

Unbelievably when Fed was 12 he apparently had a very poor temperament. As well smashing most of his rackets on court, he was reportedly kicked out of his club for inproper conduct. Look at him now? The transformation is so evident that you would hardly believe that that young temperamental boy would become the all time great 15 years later. Sadly Murray has obviously continued an inherent bad temperament into his 20's and it is severely restricting his chances of breaking into the top 5 any time soon

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posted May 8, 2008

In my opinion he's got completely wrong attitude. He only tries to be perfectionist and all the time tries to imitate Federer but all in vain.
Take only his showing of nerves, just like Federer used to, trying to associate his wins at his age with those of Fed in his (earlier this year he won some tournament and was telling that Fed won it at his age, he 'was in the right direction') and so on and so on.
Meanwhile, I don't want to say that Fed is not a rolemodel. He is arguably the best player in the tennis history, who more than deserves to be a rolemodel. But he lacks most of the things Fed got, the most importantly the passion for the sport, so he should exploit his strengths accordingly, you just simply cannot jump over your shoulders.
He won couple of titles this year, tried to change the coaching team but all of it seemed to be a publicity stunt, to be honest. It's like a spoilt child that wants everything at the same time.
I think he should consider this.

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posted May 8, 2008

In terms of managerial support he is constantly encircled by so called leading specialists in different areas of tennis to help improve his game but he needs somebody there at all times (like corretja but on a more permananent basis) to guide him through these turbulent emtional times and help him cope with big pressure points. This will not be done by soliciting advice from experts that have not lieved and breathed coaching at he very top level. Corretja's advice while being invaluable to him on clay cannot be exended to the rest of the season's surfaces. Given that only 1/3 of tournaments throughout the year are played on clay, he should seriously consider the remaining 2/3 of the season. His so called specialists will just not cut it at that level.

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comment by IWWT (U11619967)

posted May 8, 2008

Its Judy Murray's fault!!!

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posted May 8, 2008

"...He only tries to be perfectionist and all the time tries to imitate Federer but all in vain.
Take only his showing of nerves, just like Federer used to, trying to associate his wins at his age with those of Fed..."

Absolutely spot on..
i believe he thinks he is the next Fedex!!

Message to Portugeuse Andy...DREAM ON!!

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posted May 8, 2008

Injuries or not, people should take into account his past record on clay, which is awful - don't expect much from him until Queen's Club in June.

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posted May 8, 2008

For a start Andy Murray isn't the problem with British tennis and I'm sick of all this bleeting on about him not being a world beater, and how he'll never win a grand slam. He's 20 years old and already been in the Top 10 for crying out loud. Perspective please.

I read the French sports daily L'Equipe regularly and they have Gasquet, Tsonga, Mahut, Mathieu, Santoro, Monfils, Simon etc,

The point is that none of them are under the scrutiny that Andy is. If Gasquet loses in a Masters Series first round they take it for what it is. None of this pathetic moaning that comes from us Brits when Henman and now Murray have a poor couple of tournaments. Henman, one of the most entertaining players on tour through a 10-year career, is labelled a failure in this country. He spent most of those years in the top 10. It's a ridiculous and shameful attitude.

Andy's a target because he's the only one out there doing anything. He has more unrealistic pressure than virtually any other player on tour and it has to stop. Yes, he's not pushed on like Djokovic has, but that's hardly a critisism, no-one in world tennis has improved in such a way.

If we write off our top sportsmen and women at 20 years old then we deserve a nation of failure.

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comment by vash128 (U7420159)

posted May 8, 2008

"I have been a fervent supporter of Murray since he started on the ATP Circuit and I believe he does have the talent to win a slam one day, but it's really annoying me how he now seems to meekly surrender matches"

well, you see the same behaviour from Nadal... whenever he loses he seems to loose the deciding set quite badly (usually, not always). He also alsmost always show pretty bad body language when losing. It seems he also has the habit of giving up when losing. These guys need some spirit. They should take a chapter out of Federer's book...

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted May 8, 2008

caludrup, precisely the point i have been making, though i think ours are the lone voices in the dark.

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