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posted May 3, 2008

Bangaman, I didn't say Federer got an easier draw I just said Djokovic always ended up in Nadal's half, so Federer got an easier semi final opponent in Davydenko.

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comment by Dot (U8403236)

posted May 3, 2008

Did Uncletoniisagod fall asleep in Estoril? Wasn't Djokovic in Federer's half on that occasion? This is one tough draw for the Swiss maestro and he will probably struggle to come through it but nevertheless he is still the very best in the world - except on clay. Nadal is formidable and looks as if he hardly broke sweat agains Gremelmayer so, all things considered I'm not sure this is the year of the RG for Federer but how I would love to be wrong.

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posted May 3, 2008

Djoko wasnt at Estoril, Federfan but he was in Feds half at MC.

Alot of people felt that Djoko was falling in Rafa's half rather a lot, but the balance seems to be shifting. Its all random.

It does look a tougher draw for Fed this time but thats how it goes.

At least he's not defending massive points.

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posted May 3, 2008

Djokovic didn't play Estoril this year. All I meant was that last year in pretty much every single MS and GS Djokovic was in Nadal's half of the draw: RG, Wimby, Montreal, US Open, the group in the MC, Aus Open this year, IW etc. I'm not saying Federer got easier draws but I'm just saying that he got an easier semi-final opponent. It's just my opinion and please don't take it the wrong way.

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posted May 3, 2008

It seems to be balancing out a bit now, Uncle T
and Rafa has certainly got the kinder draw this time.

Strange how you get these runs this year AO, MC and now Rome.

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posted May 3, 2008

Yes, very strange indeed!!!!!!!!!!! Rafa fans are surely rejoicing this draw. It seems that he won't be tired this season after all. His matches will be more like practice sessions.

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comment by Dot (U8403236)

posted May 3, 2008

ooops duggietoo - dropped a clanger there but I meant MC - I go to pieces when the great one is threatened! Mea culpa and I wouldn't take UncleToniisaGod's comment the wrong way either as we all support who we think is the best but since I'm probably years older than the rest of you in this forum I have seen some wonderful players come and go but never one like Federer.

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posted May 3, 2008

Yes it is Duggie and Davydenko is no slouch on clay and actually gave Nadal the biggest test in their Rome semi-final match last year, so hopefully we'll see a good tournament <ok>

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posted May 3, 2008

Federfan nice reply ;)

I guessed you might have meant MC.

I too have seen many great players and Fed is up there with the best - but I still think theres a little way to go to outstrip Sampras or Laver.

Federer certainly has a grace/balletic quality that I have not seen before - I am not sure he is the "killer" the other two were at their peak.

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posted May 3, 2008

I think people are exaggerating this 'tough draw' thing somewhat. Look at Nadal's probable opponents next week....

Round 1 - Ferraro (a probable win but hardly an easy first match. Ferraro will at least make Nadal work hard for his win)

Round 2 - Murray (As much as Andy is not yet a contender in big tournies, who would want to play him as early as the last 16?!? He's as dangerous a floater as they come. I could at see him taking a set from Nadal even on clay, but you would think Rafa would get through eventually. Anyway....)

Quarters - Verdasco (I'm making a bold prediction by putting Verdasco here, but whoever gets through from that section, it should finally be a 6-3 6-3 gimme for Nadal).

Semis - Davydenko (He beat Nadal in Miami and has run him close on clay before. Although I'd predict Nadal to win, I don't think it will be as easy as it was in Monte Carlo).

Final - Federer/Djokovic (Hard either way)

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Federer has (I'm guessing) Canas, Starace, Ferrer before the semi finals. Will he lose any of those? I don't think he will. Ferrer doesn't match up well against Federer in particular. I think the hardest match there is potentially Canas, not because he's done Fed before but because it's Roger's first match and he might be caught cold.

Federer can't play BOTH Djokovic and Nalbandian because those two meet in the quarters. If anything Djokovic is the man out of the top three who has the hardest draw.

I'll be boring and predict a Djokovic/Nadal final with Nadal to win. I only put Djokovic to get to the final though because I think him and Federer are pretty much on a par these days and as Federer won last time I'll go for Novak on the law of averages.

On a different note, I don't have much sympathy for Nadal over this 'crowded schedule' thing. Why is he playing Barcelona if he's knackered? I know he needs to mine the clay court season for all its worth, but Barcelona is a relatively minor tournament. Would he really rather win that and then be too tired to play AMS in Hamburg (the one clay court AMS he hasn't won, and also the one clay court event he could actually GAIN points this season). Doesn't make sense to me.

I can see Nadal winning in Rome and at Roland Garos again, but somehow slipping up in Hamburg either because he's tired or has one eye on the French.




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posted May 3, 2008

Although Mac, LeConte and Nastase also had lovely styles to watch.

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posted May 3, 2008

Yes, it is tough draw for Fed. But as number one he has to face this kind of situation. I hope he doesn't complain.
Hopefully he will tune in at the first match (against Canas most probably).

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posted May 3, 2008

UncleToni,

No offense taken. Djoko was in Fed's half in 2007 and 2008 AO. Hopefully, he will be in Nadal's half in Wimby. I think Nadal got a nice break that he has both Blake and Roddick, clay court monsters(!) in his half.

Take care.

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posted May 3, 2008

Sorry for that Bangaman, I realized just as I typed it that they played in the semis, not the final- bit late in the evening!!!!! Agree about Roddick and Blake and I suspect they have only entered as the MS are mandatory and they need some match practice. I don't think even they believe can make inroads on clay <laugh>.

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posted May 4, 2008

Federer is in a tough situation. However, this doasn't mean that there is big chance for federer to lose. His new coach is improving him everyday. Federer won against Nalbandian, Djokovic and reached final in MC when he wasn't 100% back in form. Now I am sure that he is 100% back in form by his new coach helping him. That is why I predict that he will crash everyone to reach final round.

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posted May 4, 2008

I honestly dont think that Federer is too bad. Besides he has very few points to defend and he is rested so he should be ok. I also don't think easy draws would do him any favours for the French. He needs to win some tough battles to get in the right frame of mind for the big one. I dont think he will lose against Canas. Just hope he serves well.

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posted May 4, 2008

Hi Everyone, I do agree with FedFan's post that Fed's draw looks good, only concern would be how Fed handles Canas on clay early on, yet, i m quietly confident, Fed will do great, the way i saw him play in MC, i expect Fed to reach at least SFs. lets see how it goes.what do you think Duggietoo and if TLKF is on this thread as well, your comments are always appreciated.

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posted May 4, 2008

Federer does have a tough draw but when hes on then no one can touch him, we havent seen Feds play his best on clay yet and Rome will be the event to start putting the fear of god back into his game.

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posted May 4, 2008

"we havent seen Feds play his best on clay yet and Rome will be the event to start putting the fear of god back into his game."


Lets hope so! I was encouraged by his performance in MC! Hope he does even better this time!<ok>

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posted May 5, 2008

Found this article in the Independent re Murray interesting that he says he will give up unless he gets back into the top 20!!!

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/murray-focusing-on-clay-challenge-not-nadal-821162.html

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posted May 5, 2008

Sorry wrong article, here is the article I was referring to

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/

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posted May 5, 2008

Two all time greats of gravel ?? Roddick and Blake ? No way Flossie. They are not gravel players at all..

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posted May 5, 2008

I was just attaching links to articles which I found interesting and thought some members of 606 would like to read them.

I myself posted a comment on Nadal's easy road in Rome saying that both Roddick and Blake have poor clay court records.

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posted May 5, 2008

|thanks for the links msFlossie - the Murray one deserves a thread of its own

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comment by doctor (U11828010)

posted May 5, 2008

Federer is a great player and just because of losing once or twice to a player will not diminish his chances of going ahead in the tournament.When it comes to clay court matches Federer plays a perfect game to beat any one except Nadal.As such the players who are now in his draw were beaten several times comprehensively by Federer earlier.

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posted May 6, 2008

Fed is playing very well just defeated Canas 6 3 6 3 with some brilliant forehands dropshots and good backhands lovely let them all come he can handle it <cheers>

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posted May 6, 2008

Its better for Fed to play better quality players. Helps him focus. If the confidence is there then he has nothing to fear<ok>

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posted May 6, 2008

murray eats popcorn everynight.

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posted May 6, 2008

"murray eats popcorn everynight."

There was an interview with both Murrays in last weekend's Observer Sport Monthly. One thing that struck me was the number of times the pair of them referred to "going out to dinner". They clearly like their nosh <laugh>. And if some of the more cryptic remarks about Jamie are to be read into it seems he has other strong... "appetites" too. ;-)

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posted May 6, 2008

"Its better for Fed to play better quality players. Helps him focus. If the confidence is there then he has nothing to fear..."

Absolutely agree!
I don't ever believe he takes any opponent lightly, but agree he is much sharper when facing higher seeds or "bogey" opponents.
I want to see Fed win this and set RG up nicely for an absolute killer final between him and Rafa. Mind you If Djoko is fit and playing well, i can see him making any clay court final.

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comment by Roswell (U6695464)

posted May 6, 2008

The Number One Seed tends to get the favourable draw. Nadal is No 1 on clay. (See RFed's Mickey Mouse paths to the All England final in recent years...)

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posted May 6, 2008

Ah yes who could forget Federer's cakewalk draw to the 2006 title: Gasquet, Henman, Mahut, Berdych, Ancic, Bjorkmann and Nadal...

<doh>

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comment by U11188452

posted May 6, 2008

How can one hails someone as "GOAT", and at the same time complain that "THE GREATEST of ALL TIME" has a tough draw?

It is totally illogical, since nothing should be too tough for the "GOAT".

It is like God is complaining that he is afraid of being in the dark alone!<doh>

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posted May 7, 2008

is no one watching this!!!
Ferroro has just beat Rafa!!!

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posted May 7, 2008

I am a Fed fan but can see Rafa is a touch of his game. However, take nothing from Juan Carlos, he played brilliantly and smart. he never let and always kept Rafa guessing with all his shots and returns.

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