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Welsh targeting of Hartley a mistake.

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by dammit_chris (U1689410) 31 January 2011
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And yet another Welshman is quite content to lay into Dylan Hartley before Friday's match, as Jonathan Davies throws in his two pence worth (or should that be one pence worth due to Davies's level of punditry...)

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I am absolutey amazed by Gatland and Davies coming out and making such a big deal of the Hartley situation because in my opinion its going to backfire spectacularly if they aren't careful.

It's clear that the Welsh will target Hartley, no question, but going so public was a huge mistake. Emotions are going to be running high, Welsh players will want to make their mark and its going to end in giving away stupid penalties and yellow cards.

I personally think that this is going to play into England's hands, the game will turn into a forward dominated exchange and although England d not have te speed and lineout abiliy in the absence of Lawes and Croft they do have a big advantage in terms of power, especially now in he front row.

To be honest, I think Wales are slight favourites but Gatland's antics could end up givin Hartley and the England pack with that little extra reason to raise their game and beat Wales.

Gatland it is time to stop running yur mouth before the big games, and let the players do the talking on the pitch. Should be a cracker...(how long before the first yellow card?)

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posted Feb 1, 2011

Roland can over-influence the match - I have to agree that he appears to hog the limelight and enjoys the camera and audio. Come on England - knuckle down and squeeze the Welsh into submission, then go on and win the Six Nations!!

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posted Feb 1, 2011

I just wonder if we need all these pundits on the Beeb. Let the Welsh TEAM do the talking on the field - thinking about it if the Beeb cut their pundits they cost reduce their costs also. Everyone else has to live with the cuts. All this stuff about Hartley is just a distraction. I suspect as a professional he could not care a damn - well he should not anyway. I hope Wales give it a go as on paper I think this team is not one of the strongest we have put out against the English. Adam and Gethin a great loss.

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posted Feb 1, 2011

I think it was Allain Rolland who gave the Italy Skipper a serious talking to for killing the ball, told him to go talk to his players, waited for them all to be gathhered under the posts and let Hook or SJ take a tap penalty to score in the corner. Class ref

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comment by Segnes (U1710014)

posted Feb 1, 2011

Let's hope England have a formula, then. Good teams do strategise for dealing with the ref. Maybe in this case it might go something like this: without denying that in this case there seems to be evidence of unconscious bias, no professional ref. would be purposely biased simply out of career considerations, but some really are frightened by the prospect of losing control, so perhaps an early indication of determination to remain disciplined throughout and continuous demonstration of that determination on the pitch will dampen his alarm enough for the game to proceed fairly.

If that is to be the strategy - Who knows? - then it is clear how England must respond to the Hartley provocation.

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comment by Nathan (U9208515)

posted Feb 2, 2011

When you get a rotten ref you just need to take him out of the equation. Its not easy but if you score tries you take the decision making out of his hands. England will just have to play out of their skins, because Wales are going onto that pitch with a 9 point lead.

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posted Feb 2, 2011

"Good teams do strategise for dealing with the ref. "

You're right Segnes, but I think the Tigers are a well managed, well coached team and we have never yet gotten onto the good side of Rolland, no matter how many times he has refereed us. I remember zipping home from the aiport to watch the HEC game against Scarlets and thinking this will be a cracker and then seeing that $^*%$%^&^*(&%%$%$$%&*^$$^&%^%$&* Rolland was the ref and thinking %$%^%^%$%$%^*%$&$^%$%^$$^% this is going to be far harder than I thought and is likely to be a bore rather than the good game I did 100+ from the airport to see.

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comment by rjbevan (U7753753)

posted Feb 2, 2011

It sounds like the English are finding their excuses by blaming the ref before the game has even started!

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posted Feb 2, 2011

rjbevan couldnt agree more, england stop looking for excuses, and whoever said about jones scoring the try in the corner, it had nothing to do with the ref, the Pumas (not italy) assumed that wales would take the penalty kick but SJ had the vision to play whats infront of him

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posted Feb 2, 2011

TazFalklands,

I think you ae thinking of Clancy with Wales v Argentina.
The worst part of it was the kicking T was on the pitch, brought on, which in thelawbook is an idicatiion to kick for goal.
Rolland loves himself, does not use the TMO when he should, and is proved by the replays that he should have!
Many games come to mind, Ruro cup and tests.
He really is a Jeckyll and Hyde ref.
Would prefer it wasn't him, but have to live with it now.

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posted Feb 4, 2011

What happened with targeting Hartley, they just let him hit his jumper every throw and came out with 100%.

Well done lads, time to move on to the next game. Think this year will be tight and winning your home games will be essential and anything away will be a bonus (except Italy really)

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