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Selection reveals England ODI lineup

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by irbell22 (U4910999) 09 January 2011
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so looking at the selection for the current PM XI one day warm up match it appears that Ian Bell will miss out on the ODI series with Australia.

bit of a shocker right?

i guess if he scores a ton theyll probably draft him in

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posted Jan 11, 2011

hopeforthebest

And your point is? You do realise that it's possible to bat sensibly & positively in the first half of an innings, before hitting out at the end?

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posted Jan 11, 2011

Ulidian

What's up with you, you keep accusing me of something while agreeing with me.
You really are dense today.

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posted Jan 11, 2011

whilst i agree to a point with hope that keeping wickets in hand for a slogfest in the last ten overs can be productive, there is one problem with that approach and its what england used to be very guilty of.

if you bat conservatively at first there is no guarantee you will avoid losing wickets and in the instance where u have batted slowly AND lose a few wickets then you are screwed.

engand's recent success has coincided with the more aggressive approach up front where we look to get well in front of the rate early then control the remainder of the innings.

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posted Jan 11, 2011

if you bat conservatively at first there is no guarantee you will avoid losing wickets and in the instance where u have batted slowly AND lose a few wickets then you are screwed.

No one is suggesting conservative batting, just that as we don't have a quality 'pinch hitter', it's pointless trying to play that way.

Sensible batting aiming for 5 an over early on, will often arrive at a total in excess of 300 runs.

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posted Jan 11, 2011

not really sure whether we are agreeing or disagreeing here tbh

too often in the past england were guilty of playing very conservatively at the start of an ODI innings, on the occasions we did have wickets in hand then we were able to accelerate later and post a good score. however all too often we would lose too many wickets and be unable to throw the bat in the last 15 overs for fear of being bowled out, and not have enough on the board.

since the champions trophy in SA we have tried to be more aggressive early and not rely on the late innings slogfest.

its all a matter of degrees tbh but you cant deny that since we started playing this way we have been far more successful.

strauss has adapted his game and with davies now alongside him we look to have an opening pair who can get us off to that quick start despite them not being comparable to gilchrist/hayden for example.

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posted Jan 11, 2011

hopeforthebest

I'm not agreeing with you at all. I'm advocating a positive start, which is most easily achieved with a positive top three/four. Given the squad available, that means some combination of Bell, Davies, Pietersen & Strauss. You appear to be calling for Trott.

rich1uk

I agree wholeheartedly, but it's not just about the way the guys at the top of the order set about things. All the players need to be pretty positive - even if they do make a mistake or get a good ball, fewer balls will have been wasted. The one thing I don't want to see at any stage of an innings is 30 off 50 & then a strike by Lee or Tait.

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posted Jan 11, 2011

Ulidian1

There's a big difference between being positive and reckless batting. Opening with someone to try and score boundaries off every delivery borders on recklessness.

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posted Jan 11, 2011

hopeforthebest

Indeed, but I'm not advocating any such choice - who had you in mind there?

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posted Jan 11, 2011

With the pitch conditions not normally doing the quicks any favours on the sub continent, somebody opening who likes to go over the infield maybe the wiser choice however the confidence Englands cricketers have been showing its great to be excited and confident in the whole squad and recently the selectors have been very good.

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posted Jan 12, 2011

I think that Yardy has proved a point in the first tour match of his credentials as a economical middle over bowler. The T20 Performance was on the money again taking two wickets.

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