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Is It a backs/Skills Coach We Need

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by bedfordwelsh (U1691096) 27 November 2010
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Gatland was a forward by trade and is part of the forwards coaching team now. Our pack (well front five) has been the strongest it has been for as long as I can remember.

We are however looking very limited and predictable in the backs. So is there a need for change of the management as far as attack/skills coach goes.

Leaving Gatland in charge overall and of the forwards.

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posted Nov 27, 2010

Wales played their best attacking rugby since 2005 when Scott Johnson the Australian was the backs coach. Wales need him back now.

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posted Nov 27, 2010

Lugsy, I was saying this on another thread. We used to do this stuff at age 11. Even the rubbish players could pass the ball. Heck, even our dismal 90`s teams could finish off the scant chances they had.

I have a feeling Gatland has a gameplan based around players like Roberts and Shanklin. Ball through the hands doesn't come into it.

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comment by Joel (U14331529)

posted Nov 27, 2010

It's just confidence. We only play well in the backs either when we are winning and confidence is high or if we are chasing the game. It isn't ability it is simple lack of thinking when the confidence is a little low. We drifted across field far too often and no one was running an inside line back in field. I feel that if we were confident we could have got a couple more tries and maybe sneaked a win. We also stand a lot flatter when we haven't won for a while and the passes never seem to go to hand. However we shouldn't look back in dispair, much improved on last week and the defence on the whole was brilliant. Just have to concentrate on winning the England game now.

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posted Nov 27, 2010

On the bright side, I think our pack is turning into a formidable unit. Really glad Warburton and Lydiate are stepping up. If Toby Faletau, Turnbull or Morgan can step up too, then we should have a good platform for at least 2 world cups.

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posted Nov 27, 2010

Our kick outs are still a problem, we are not giving our chasers a chance. Missing two touch finds and S Jones not kicking the ball out at half time sums up one of our problems since 2003. The forwards did well until the substitutions. Rees did well as an impact scrum half at the end. T James is no international we missed 1/2 penny/shane during the AI's.

Overall much better than last week but we must be more like the SH teams only make forced changes and one or two changes to build up understanding between players (Fiji and Italy in the past). Another improvement is a new attack coach, this predictable left right is not working.

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posted Nov 27, 2010

The coach we need is the one who can make our players more analytical when opportunities arise. In other words Wayne Smith. ABs typically don't waste ball and that has to be down to as much a mental approach as anything else. If he is available after this RWC he might be the answer because the pack is improving in every other respect while our backs are regressing.

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posted Nov 27, 2010

I think it all highlights the lack of strength in depth. The pack with no players injured, although a couple needing to find form go pretty well as a whole over the autumn. The backs have lacked the ability to convert line breaks and overlaps all autumn. But we have out Halfpenny, Shane, JD2, Robers, and a fit on form Henson.

Byrne has been poor for some time now and Ive lost count of hte number of times he has failed to make touch from a penalty. Honestly, Im hoping Henson comes back to form and plays full back with Roberts and Hook in the centre, JD2 to cover. I also think Gatland needs to suck up his pride and bring Eiffion Roberts back into the fold as tighthead cover and start giving him time in games to cover Adam. Peel is playing regularly and by all accounts well at Sale at the moment and should come back into the squad.


Mike phillips/Peel
Wellies,
Shane,
Roberts,JD2
Hook,
Halfpenny/North
Henson/Byrne

That would be my first choice backs with replacements. I also think Howley needs help, not discarded as a coach but a technical advisor brought in to add experience and a diffeent element. My preference would be Brian Ashton, who I think is probably the best backs coach in the UK. Just like England used Kevin Bowring toget to their world cup challenge in 2003, Ashton would certainly get our backs running good lines.

However the ultimate problem remains getting all of our best players on the park at the same time. Do that and we will get a quarter final maybe a semi final in the WC.

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comment by reds (U14413231)

posted Nov 27, 2010

The welsh backs need to get it in their heads that this is not club rugby. They can not expect to run around the best international players like they do for teir club teams. Theymust cloect the ball and straight the draw their man then pass. I know this sounds simple but it is!Wales must have missed 15-20 clear cut chances this autumn by not doing this.PS some line out throw in practice wouldn't go amiss.

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posted Nov 27, 2010

Was at the game.. High in the stands and could just see the whole setup.

NZ: Always organised and defensive line solid. When re-organising it was done in a second, everyone knowing where to slot in.

Wales: Had a line for the majority, but when they needed to re-orgsnise it was a shambles! No line at all, people almost stopping to ask where they should be standing, looked like that had no clue at all! Very dissapointing!

Difference I seen in the game... Every other NZ player they passed to ran straight, then next on an angle, they mix it up, but majority is straight, straight, straight running!
Also NZ offloading all the time!
Wales, I cant even remember one offload they did?!?!?!?!? Plus, we need offloading not jus t in midfield but between the forwards as well.

2005 we did, but now we just look years behind, mind boggles when surely they should be seeing all this stuff in the video reel over the next few days! Get your coat Howley!

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posted Nov 27, 2010

"A lineout wouldn't go amiss too. The last time I can recall Wales having an attacking lineout....Bob Norster was playing."

Ohh happy days they were when forwards had to rely on height and individual skill to win lineout ball instead of relying on their mates i.e. the props to lift them miles up into the air.Bob Norster's finest Welsh game was probably his last ever match for Wales in 1989 V England at Cardiff where along with Phil Davies they totally overshadowed their taller English lock opponents Wade Dooley and Paul Ackford.

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