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Scotland XXII vs New Zealand

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Scotland XXII

15 Hugo Southwell (Stade Francais), 54 caps, 8 tries, 40 points

14 Rory Lamont (Toulon) 23 caps, 6 tries, 30 points
13 Max Evans (Glasgow Warriors) 13 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
12 Graeme Morrison (Glasgow Warriors) 25 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
11 Sean Lamont (Scarlets) 47 caps, 7 tries, 35 points

10 Dan Parks (Cardiff Blues) 53 caps, 4 tries, 10 conversions, 33 penalties, 11 drop-goals, 172 points
9 Mike Blair (Edinburgh) CAPTAIN 64 caps, 5 tries, 25 points

1 Allan Jacobsen (Edinburgh) 47 caps
2 Ross Ford (Edinburgh) 40 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
3 Euan Murray (Northampton Saints) 32 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
4 Richie Gray (Glasgow Warriors) 3 caps
5 Jim Hamilton (Gloucester) 29 caps, 1 try, 5 points
6 Kelly Brown (Saracens) 37 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
8 Richie Vernon (Glasgow Warriors) 3 caps
7 John Barclay (Glasgow Warriors) 20 caps, 2 tries, 10 points

Substitutes

16 Scott Lawson (Gloucester) 22 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
17 Alasdair Dickinson (Gloucester) 18 caps
18 Nathan Hines (Leinster) 64 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
19 Ross Rennie (Edinburgh) 1 cap
20 Rory Lawson (Gloucester) 20 caps
21 Ruaridh Jackson (Glasgow Warriors) uncapped
22 Nikki Walker (Ospreys) 15 caps, 4 tries, 20 points

Pretty much as expected, slightly surprised at no Paterson and no Ansbro on the bench, but great call on putting Ross Rennie in ahead of MacDonald imo

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comment by TreOes (U1674838)

posted Nov 10, 2010

Right I'm Welsh, Coach Rugby in Somerset, and know a bit of Andy Robinsons history.

So I rate him, I think he is a grafter, who was shafted by the pretty boys in twickers, and will give 100% to Scotland, I think he's already done that.
Can I just say that he (Andy Robinson) would have liked 4 Internationals this autumn but Cash and other Unions have prevented this. In fact at one point the whole schedule was in question with BBC Alba withdrawing its much needed financial support.

He will change the game plan, he will hope for horrendous weather, he will hunt down the set piece and try, despite the questionable refs decision on put in, to dominate where the SH teams are not comfortable.

Wher Jonno has the Pedigree, Robinson is the torn eared mongrel..

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comment by JB123 (U14573098)

posted Nov 10, 2010

John Barclay will be the key to Scotland's chances, he should definitely be captain and has been Scotland's best player for while! Moreover a slightly weakened NZ team gives us a chance of making an upset, however, only if our defence stays strong.

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posted Nov 10, 2010

6. Kaino vs brown - Sco win 40/60

This cant be accurate at all. You're talking about Kelly Brown right? Big call.

Kaino is our current Jerry Collins. Extremely crucial to our trio and consistently under-appreciated. When our pack is down, he is the one that provides the aggression and impetus which provides the driving force for our pack.

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posted Nov 10, 2010

I think Robinson has, again, picked a team to do a job. He has got us back some respect over his tenure by making us difficult to beat, first and foremost. He is now slowly introducing new up and coming talent (in the forwards anyway) giving us a greater spread of experience and options for play. I still have confidence that he knows what he is doing and is still taking us forward.
The forward pack is arguably not weakened by bringing in new faces and will be competitive with (and possibly win the battle) with the NZ eight. I am looking forward to how this goes. This shows that we now have a fair bit of strength in depth that wasn't there previously. A couple of years ago there would have been great trepidation at the loss of a couple of first choices which isn't happening now. The only doubts I have in this area of the team is in the replacements where I would have had Cross (who is in rich form, at the moment) rather than Dickinson - neither can scrummage but I think Cross has been awesome in the loose.
The backs I have more concerns about as we still seem to be relying on brawn rather than guile and pace. Personally, I would like to see the introduction of more exciting players which we do possess. I am a bit scared of what might happen if NZ break our defence line as some of the backs picked turn slower than an oil tanker. However, Robinson does seem to get performances out of players and will have a game plan that suits the players picked.
Last point, I don't know what Cairns has to do to get in the team. He has played consistently well for the past couple of seasons with hardly a look-in. I rate him higher than Evans and he can cover centre, wing and fullback, so should, at least make the 22. One fault of Robinson may be that he rates English based players higher and doesn't want to show any favouritism to former Edinburgh favourites of his (see Hogg).

I'll hedge my bets and say we'll only win by five.

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comment by U8659606

posted Nov 11, 2010

"Kaino is our current Jerry Collins. Extremely crucial to our trio and consistently under-appreciated. When our pack is down, he is the one that provides the aggression and impetus which provides the driving force for our pack."

This is spot on. I watched NZ throughout the tri-nations and Kaino has become a key part of the All Black pack. He's the guy that adds the aggression to the rucks and mauls, and allows McCaw the freedom to roam and poach. Kaino and Read have become an awesome duo for the All Blacks, and are only now really starting to get a mention.

Brown played out of skin last season and proved himself an international class blindside. But I'd struggle to give him anything more than parity against Kaino.

Stephen Jones in the Sunday Times made a begruding observation about All Black forwards (locks in particular). To paraphrase, he said that you never rate them, until you realise that they have 50 caps of quiet and consistent international excellence. I think that accurately sums up the likes of Kaino.

We'll struggle, even with Donald at fly half. The All Blacks have the superior skill-set and a clinincal finishing ability. However, I think we'll give them a hard time at the scrum, and in Vernon and Blair at the base, we have real pace there to tie-in their loose-forwards. If Morrison can shackle SBW (a huge ask), then I think we'll be in with a shout, because I don't rate their half backs, and whilst Smith is a hugely clever centre, if SBW isn't getting away the offloads, and we manage to keep their loose forwards from breaking away into the backline, then Smith could find himself isolated as a creative force.

Parks will still have to produce something we haven't seen yet this season though, and that worries me. When he's off his game, which we've all seen in the past, then he's worth at least 20 points to the opposition!

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posted Nov 11, 2010

so answer so points

Southwell is Solid and playing well. Not the flair of Mils but defensivly reliable and his huge left boot is a potent weapon.

Evans is an extremely handy centre. Given the ball in space he is capabile of going through the NZ defense

Kelly Brown has hit a vein of consistant good performance. Yes Kaino is good, but so is Kelly brown

Rory Lamont is a class act. He plays better when his brother is on the ppitch fo rsome reason. For some reason Sean plays worse, think he worries abotu his wee brother

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comment by U8659606

posted Nov 11, 2010

Just seen the All Blacks line-up (see below).

McCaw and Carter included, Kaino omitted.

I must say, I thought they'd rest rather more of their first choice line-up. With the exception of Kaino, this is pretty much first choice, and the omission of Roko for Ice probably strengthens them, and Nono for Smith hardly damages their cause.


New Zealand: M Muliaina; I Toeava, C Smith, SB Williams, H Gear; D Carter, J Cowan; T Woodcock, H Elliot/K Mealamu, O Franks, B Thorn, S Whitelock, L Messam, R McCaw (capt), K Read.

Replacements: A Hore, J Afoa, A Boric, D Braid, A Ellis, S Donald, M Nonu.

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posted Nov 11, 2010

Looking forward to it.

Nice to see a strong AB side named at long last. No excuses this time, and a real show of respect for a Scotland team on the rise.

Best of luck Scotland. I love going to Murrayfield, it's always a fantastic experience.

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comment by U8659606

posted Nov 11, 2010

"Nice to see a strong AB side named at long last. No excuses this time, and a real show of respect for a Scotland team on the rise."

I agree. A few years back, Henry would never have selected this team against us.

Euan Murray vs. Tony Woodcock will be an extremely interesting battle in the scrum, and Barclay will be pretty excited at the opportunity of facing the great McCaw.

Wish I could be there!

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posted Nov 11, 2010

I got my tickets months ago, going to have no voice left buy the time I'm done

If anyone sees a derranged Scotland fan screaming like a banshee, please join in

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