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It feels a bit like Saturday was the hors d'œuvre ahead of today's potentially explosive line-up of Premier League football.

Up first, Manchester United aim to put a seriously trying week behind them by winning at one of the hardest places in the league to go to - Stoke City.

Next, relegation zone'd Liverpool welcome Blackburn to Anfield in a must-win game for under-fire manager Roy Hodgson.

Finally, Manchester City aim to close the gap to two points on leaders Chelsea by beating Arsenal at Eastlands. I wonder if Emmanuel Adebayor will play this time?

Yeah, looks like a firecracker of a line-up, doesn't it? Follow all the action right here, as always.
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posted Oct 24, 2010

So lfc won today in no small part due to torres gerrard and kyrgiakos.

Someone tell konchesky if he's clearing the ball to get height and distance on the ball.

And according to fat Sam rafa should take the blame for some of the current malaise huh? Perhaps he'd be gracious enough to now say rafa played some part in the way the team played today?

Gracious and fat Sam ? Don't think they go together.

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posted Oct 24, 2010

comment by ClockEndMike (U11210819)
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comment by Dan
What amazes me is, when we win it's pure luck and when we loose or draw, we are not good enough for the league. This is ridiculous!
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And oddly enough, according to Arsenal fans, when they *lose* it's down to bad luck and when they win they're good enough to win the league!
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I think most teams' fans would tend to respond in this fashion to their own teams' wins and losses. What's different is the ill-will on this forum towards Arsenal, even when many neutrals will give them credit for their quality.

As for the '11 v 10' debate, what often happens is that 10 men put a lot of commitment into defence, and can be very hard to break down. I would expected that from City today, with their defensive record. Players like Villa and Tevez (whose loss was perhaps more serious than the 11th man) would still have been very dangerous on the break. But City couldn't score, even against a somewhat shaky (and understrength) back line, and they were broken down in defence half a dozen times to concede 3 goals. It could have been 2-5...
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Well said Mike!

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posted Oct 24, 2010

ClockEndMike (U11210819)

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comment by Dan
What amazes me is, when we win it's pure luck and when we loose or draw, we are not good enough for the league. This is ridiculous!
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And oddly enough, according to Arsenal fans, when they *lose* it's down to bad luck and when they win they're good enough to win the league!
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I think most teams' fans would tend to respond in this fashion to their own teams' wins and losses. What's different is the ill-will on this forum towards Arsenal, even when many neutrals will give them credit for their quality.

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T'is the same sweeping generalisation though, no? :)

Yes, the comment was made about football fans in general and also about the sweeping generalisations other football fans make about them. :)

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posted Oct 24, 2010

Dan, I don't see the point you are making in your reply?

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posted Oct 24, 2010

Seriously, you have got to love Cesc;when given the man of the match award by Sky, he said "I missed a penalty and I'm man of the match?" Pure Class!

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posted Oct 24, 2010

Dan, I don't see the point you are making in your reply?

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I was saying that the sweeping generalisation that the original poster made (about (all) opposing fans believing.. so and so) mirrored the other directly opposing sweeping generalisation made by opposing fans (all fans of team X believe.. etc).

Both opinions (that my/your team loses they're lucky/unlucky etc) being, dare I say, sweeping generalisations?

Clear? :)

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posted Oct 24, 2010

Dan: "Both opinions (that my/your team loses they're lucky/unlucky etc) being, dare I say, sweeping generalisations?"

So? My point was that most fans will understandably make such sweeping generalisations about their own team, but (as the OP said) the 'generalisations' made regularly on this board about Arsenal are ridiculously over the top.

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posted Oct 24, 2010

Dan: "Both opinions (that my/your team loses they're lucky/unlucky etc) being, dare I say, sweeping generalisations?"

So? My point was that most fans will understandably make such sweeping generalisations about their own team, but (as the OP said) the 'generalisations' made regularly on this board about Arsenal are ridiculously over the top.

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Ha! But your perception that they're over the top, is possibly based on your own bias?

And ignores that to many, Arsenal fans claims of "winning the league" when they win a game are also over the top?

So.. a plague on both your houses.. :)

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posted Oct 24, 2010

Mike:"....the 'generalisations' made regularly on this board about Arsenal are ridiculously over the top."

That's exactly where I was coming from when I first made the comment Dan replied to. For some odd reasons, especially on this board Arsenal are criticized a lot regardless of their on pitch performance and as you, Mike, said it, it is ridiculously over the top.

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posted Oct 24, 2010

Dan: "Ha! But your perception that they're over the top, is possibly based on your own bias?

And ignores that to many, Arsenal fans claims of "winning the league" when they win a game are also over the top?

So.. a plague on both your houses.."

If only one result would decide who wins the League at this early stage, then City would have won it already for beating Chelsea who are seating top of the table. Yes, some Arsenal fans get carried away with a win like today's, but that does not necessarily mean that's how all Arsenal fans see this win. <smile>

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