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Selection Process...

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by welshfrog (U14639036) 07 October 2010
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Just seen Monty commenting on the selection process and had a thought...

What does everyone think about the Captain having absolute power, and picking all 12 players himself? He'd have all the stats to look at, and then make his decision based on that, and not have his hand forced by players not qualifying...

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posted Oct 7, 2010

I agree, markyjl. I think the selection should be top 10 points earners in the current year using world ranking points plus 2 picks, so players can play wherever they like and know they still have a chance of qualifying automatically. Using poits accrued in the current year means you are more likely to have players in form at the tie of the RC.

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posted Oct 7, 2010

I see people are keen to ignore the 'elephant in the room' that I pointed out earlier!

Wanting to pick the strongest possible European Ryder Cup team is quite understandable, but to do so in a way that would be detrimental to the European tour is shortsighted -- a weak European tour would be damaging to the Ryder Cup team in the long run.

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posted Oct 7, 2010

At a guess Harrington was picked ahead of Rose because he'd more experience of european conditions. Neither of them had any real form but the decider could have been that Rose had that injury. Can't see why Casey wasn't picked because he was in form and is excellent at Ryder cup format golf. Maybe there was some sort of points scoring by european tour officials?

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posted Oct 7, 2010

i must admit i get where 'diggers' is coming from about supporting your team at the ryder cup.
i actually find it much easier to root for europe no holds barred when the match is in america.
its just the way they celebrate over there that gets my blood boiling.!
last week i was kinda glad it got close on the last day and i enjoyed the spectacle and result in the end.
id much rather watch 'majors' though.there just 'better' in my opinion.

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posted Oct 7, 2010

I think from now on it should be GB, NI and ROI vs. USA. 8 players a side.

The Europeans are too weak compared to our boys and the banter of Poults and Westy holds the team together!

Westwood, Poulter, McIlroy, McDowell, Rose, Casey, Harrington and Fisher as the UK team. We'd win easily!

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posted Oct 7, 2010

Yes I would have liked to see Rose included in the Ryder cup squad but was more disappointed with the exclusion of Casey.Having said that being a golf fan I have to say that irrespective of who was playing in both teams and irrespective of nationality bias the golf was just tremendous to watch and a credit to professional sport.A wonderful event played in great spirit even when the weather was bad.

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posted Oct 7, 2010

Donald, Poulter and Rose are already 3 of the best players in America. If Westwood went on the PGA Tour he'd win every event!

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comment by Matt (U14381591)

posted Oct 7, 2010

By an large the selection process, be that 2 picks or 3 picks, has worked pretty well for Europe. So I don't think there is any real need to change it for 2012 based just on perceived problems this time around.

Going into 2012 hopefully it will focus the mind of the top players more in terms of the need to qualify automatically.

To be fair, they all have plenty of chance to do so with so many big tournaments outside the standard European tour schedule giving players two realistic bites at automatic qualification.

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posted Oct 8, 2010

606 has been all through this before, in the discussion about Monty's picks.

The European Tour, which has made great progress on behalf of it's members, is blatantly misusing it's power with it's selection process discriminating in favour of it's European members, to the detriment of the team and thereby the FANS. You know, that '13th man' (their words not mine)!

I have no wish to criticise individuals, but there can be no dispute that (good as they are) Harrington, Hansen and F. Molinari were not amongst the current best twelve European players in the world - on the day the team was announced by Monty.

The European Tour are misusing their power for their own insular interests, which do not coincide with the best interests of the Ryder Cup competition. In truth they are bullies.

Westwood and Monty (in his prime) with no major wins between them have proved conclusively that you can comfortably be amongst the best twelve ranked players in the WORLD (let alone Europe) without playing on the American Tour.

So what's the problem in selecting the best European players, based on an adjusted (to twelve months points only, to favour current form) World Rankings? The captain could still have his TWO (not three) picks, to correct any perceived anomalies that method might produce.

As a compromise they could listen to Ian Poulter who, I believe, suggested that the best five on the European list qualified, then the next best five from the World Rankings (ignoring any already qualified from the European qualifiers) then plus two Captain's picks (so that we can have the usual biennial discussion!).

Makes sense to me, but it wouldn't suit the European Tour's objectives of being seen to favour their own members and, consequently, their own interests. They are letting the fans and the team down by their current distorted qualifying criteria.

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posted Oct 8, 2010

As a compromise they could listen to Ian Poulter who, I believe, suggested that the best five on the European list qualified, then the next best five from the World Rankings (ignoring any already qualified from the European qualifiers) then plus two Captain's picks (so that we can have the usual biennial discussion!)
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Is that not pretty much what they do already - just its 4 from the World list and an extra pick . Also how could it of been detriment to the team when we won and all players contributed . For years and years Europe has always been about having the best team and not always the best 12 golfers - the US have always had the best individual golfers where as Europe had a team . I think Monty mentioned that at the K Club the US had 8 major winners playing where as Europe had none .

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