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Bizarre Tactics!?

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by Muffin McLovin (U6357958) 22 September 2010
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Erm, am I the only one that was (more than) a little surprised at:

1. A right back playing at left back. He still did well though.

2. Playing 4-3-3 with 3 strikers that aren't what I would call, natural footballers. Maybe Macheda is a natural ball player, but Owen, and from what I've seen of Hernandez, those latter two prefer running onto the ball on the shoulder of the last man, rather than picking the ball up deep (like say, Rooney does). 4-3-3 can work if you have two attacking midfielders flanking the striker, or 3 strikers that are adept at playing out wide (Drogba, Messi, Ronaldo). But I seriously doubt that playing that formation will get the best out of Hernandez and Macheda.

3. Owen playing by the end of the night...in central midfield! Actually, he did look pretty comfortable on the ball, passed short and relatively long with accuracy, so maybe he is better on the ball than I gave credit for!

But at the end of the day, we won. We did score quite a few goals and in the end were quite comfortable. But HUGE credit to Scunthorpe! Thought they were magnificant. Pretty much unknown players to me (except Josh Wright from Football Manager! Who plays for England in my game..and I think could play Premier League football soon).

Bebe looked like he has something about him. A bit of swagger and confidence. I loved the way, pretty much his 2nd touch of the ball was to come in from the left and smack a 25 yard shot from the angle. Looks very pacy and strong, but so far, haven't seen anything new to what we have already seen for the reserves, but I have already been impressed by Bebe!

Other positives...

Erm...

Ah, Rio had a good run out. Scunthorpe's striker, Fonte?, was hugely quick and caused quite a few problems, but Smalling and Rio dealt with him eventually.

Anderson looked okay. A bit rusty passing wise, but doesn't seem to have lost any of his vision, and accuracy will increase with match time.

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comment by Lee (U13801549)

posted Sep 23, 2010

you are confusing a good run out with a worring lack of midfield steel the fact that SCUNTHORPE absolutly dominated our midfield for almost 90 mins against 2 players that are tipped as our future midfield do not be blinded by the score Scunny could and did walk through our midfield at will and if you think thats aceptable no matter what the score is then you are deluded comming out fo the traps and "going for it" was to be expected from scunthorpe but that is no excuse for them to be able to completely own and dominate massive parts of the game and possesion there has to be massive improvement from both gidson (less so) and Anderson if we are to have a half decent middle of the park

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comment by Lee (U13801549)

posted Sep 23, 2010

all great passers of the ball !!!!!! what did you watch the match last night i would be very suprised if either of them had a pass compleation rate of over 60% last night

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posted Sep 23, 2010

comment by beereycalfs (U13801549)
posted 2 Minutes Ago
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I see, so you base your opinions on one game! <doh>
If you've watched many of Anderson and Gibson's games, then you'ld know they are both excellent passers. I'm not saying they are the greatest in the world or anything, but still very good!

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posted Sep 23, 2010

Think Gibson is a one trick pony with his long range efforts.
Need someone like Sneijder to replace Scholes in the centre of the park!

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posted Sep 23, 2010

Gibson's goal was quite good. I really liked it.

Loved to see Owen score two goals!! I love him.

I didn't watch the game - only highlights - but it sounds as if Bebe is actually decent. Is he?

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comment by Lee (U13801549)

posted Sep 23, 2010

no actually i have watched more than a few and i think Gibson could be a useful attacking midfielder if he improves but he would need a holder or 2 in there with him anderson does worry me are we trying to play him in a role he just is not cut out for? and it does not matter if i did base my opinions on just one match the fact is they got battered around the ring by the scunthorpe lads and that has to be worrying !! ps slaping yourself in the face does not re-inforce your point it only hurts! my point is that i have not really seen the progression from either of them Anderson is the biggest concern

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posted Sep 23, 2010

comment by beereycalfs (U13801549)
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Well Anderson has just returned form a lengthy injury, so was likely to be rusty, and Gibson doesnt have a lot of games under his belt, and as you say - Scunthorpe were really up for the game, and gave no room at all - plus United having only a 3 man midfield meant we were a little over run in that dept.
I agree with you on Anderson, in that he is being played in a role that doesnt suit him fully - as a youngster he was a fantastic goalscoring midfielder - playing just behind the striker(s) in effect, not a all out CM that he is being asked to do now. Hnece the lack of goals in his game, and a bit of inconsistency in his performances.

However they are both still young - Anderson is still younger than C. Ronaldo was when he really started to come of age, so keep the faith! <ok>

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posted Sep 23, 2010

The real problem was the wings not the centre. Hernandez and Macheda didn't track back so Anderson and Gibson had to cover the middle of the park and any potential runs by the fullbacks - which given the high line played by the Irons was always going to be the problem.

Anderson in particular played really well for someone who has been out injured for months. He got on the ball, he spread the play and he did his bit at the back - Gibson and Park for much of the first half were anonymous as they had to cover the sides while Anderson covered the whole of the centre by himself. Given the 3v5 situation right across the middle of the park I'd say they did rather well and even more so when you consider that Anderson, Gibson and Park in the middle is not exactly a tried and trust combination - it was always going to be a struggle.

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posted Sep 23, 2010

Sorry but Anderson is a proper midfielder and Gibson is just not up to scratch at all, either attacking or defending. Anderson passed accurately and at high tempo all match after an initial slow start the other night despite just coming back from injury. Gibson makes 5-10 yard passes all match and usually square or back but rarely advances attacking moves apart from drilling a shot in every now and again.

His mobility in midfield is limited and rarely offers options, his defensive positioning is worse than Scholes and we all know Scholes is not the best defender (although positionally he is actually pretty good).

Gibson has nowhere near the close control and ability to make space that Scholes has nor does he have Scholes movement and awareness on or off the ball. Anderson definitely has the ability to be top class. Gibson does not. Comparisons to Scholes though are just ridiculous - Scholes is a world class midfielder, Gibson a rather average journeyman IMO.

Well taken goal though.

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comment by Lee (U13801549)

posted Sep 24, 2010

i do conceed that at time they were the only lads in midfield and as such often had 4 or 5 V 2 but to say he passed acurately all match please go home and watch the match again until the last 10 mins (when scunny had pretty much given up) every single over the top ball missed its target i applaude his ambition but the majority of these glory defense splitting balls went staight to the oposition, just whatch the match again and you can apologise tomorrow! i do consider them both to be attacking midfielders that should have a licence to roam so to put them both in the center together was bordering on the crazy as they had no help from the wings at all we are in desperate need of a defensively minded midfielder the only one we have is permanently in tameside hospital (or similar) tis true but it was a bizzare tatical formation that could so easily have backfired on us, very impressed with owen though!! all round play was excellent oh and smalling

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