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Big Sam's Big Mouth

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by Gervinhos Spam (U8139420) 16 September 2010
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Hoof and volley practitioner sam allardyce has criticised Arsene Wenger for his "attempts to influence referees" using the media to make them "untouchable".

I wonder if he's thought about his contribution to this.
If he sets up his teams to kick teams like arsenal into submission, and arsenal lose players to injuries, of course Wenger is going to go to the press.
He will try and protect his team from a manager whose management stlye is still stuck in the dark ages.

teams like his, with their technically challenged players use physicality to bully players, with brutal tackles and overall rough play involving over the top pushing and shoulder barging.
Arsenal have had their fair share of horrific injuries from this approach, so I say its fair game to let Wenger protect his players, he can't afford to lose a player every game (even if some of them are made of glass, *cough* Van Persie *cough*)

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posted Sep 17, 2010

Maybe Fat Sam is becoming Fergie's patsy.

Everyone agrees that Joe Cole's red was harsh.To claim that this means Arsenal are being over protected is folly.

Arsenal, like other teams in the league suffer fouls. Most that we are given in favour are correct.

All Wenger has said is that it's not ok to go for the man and not the ball.

What's the big issue(As Big Sam bends over and shouts 'Alex, please give me more of your Glasweigen girthteitude')?

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posted Sep 17, 2010

Sam Allardyce made Bolton a very effective team and regularly Bolton came 6th in Premier League in 2004-2005 and 2005-2006 seasons.This is a feet that Wenger would not have achieved had he managed the Bolton side in those seasons.
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Well this Wenger bloke you speak of went unbeten for a whole season. Something which hadn't happened since 1888.

To claim Fat Sam is more of an achiever than Arsene Wenger is like saying that cannibalism is more noble than sainthood.

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posted Sep 17, 2010

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The problem, is when said players get annoyed and angered and react badly to being shown up. Not all of them do, but you get the one, and you can see the look in his eye that says “you nutmeg me once more and you’re not walking off this pitch.” So then you get the already physical and aggressive team really going for it and it’s this that Wenger wants to stop. He knows that you can go in hard and fair for the ball but it’s when you get the player whose been made to look daft just once too often in the afternoon who wants retribution. The good ref will see it and stamp it out before it happens and will (here comes that word) protect the players and this I think is all the managers want. "

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THANK YOU, YOU'VE RESTORED MY FAITH biggrin

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posted Sep 17, 2010

"The problem, is when said players get annoyed and angered and react badly to being shown up. Not all of them do, but you get the one, and you can see the look in his eye that says “you nutmeg me once more and you’re not walking off this pitch.” So then you get the already physical and aggressive team really going for it and it’s this that Wenger wants to stop."

That's not what happened to van Persie versus Italy, or Walcott versus several opponents, or Ramsey, or Eduardo.

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posted Sep 17, 2010

No but it's something so often seen in a match and that's why I applaude it, because ref's have a hard enough job, dealing with ego's.

There is a larger problem of a ref who sides with rough play, and allows such injuries to happen, as well.

There always ought to be a higher voice ref to advise the ref, and should the ref be recklessly allowing things to stand.. like at Blackburn last year, when our goalkeeper was fouled twice, and both goals stood, then such a ref would have to consider decisions like that.

It's not just about purposefully injurying another player, it's also about the cynical side of play, which isn't football. It's more like Lewes on Bonfire night.

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posted Sep 17, 2010

Yes Big Sam has a point here. However, He has coached several teams and many players. Nonetheless, I have not heard any top player in any top European team who thanks Big Sam for nurturing his football talents. Tactics that the coach uses matter to the development of young players. Therefore, Big Sam is detrimental not only to the club he coaches but also to players.

Secondly, he has forgotten one thing. Teams like Arsenal, Chelsea, and Manchester United have skilled players in all departments and any physical attribute of the game is used to spice up matches.

For example, when Patrick Viera was playing for Arsenal, People wanted to see him play not because he was a dirt player but a very talented individual. The same could be said of Roy Kean when he was playing for Manchester United.

Further, when Arsenal won the Championship, they played a physical game; however, they did not depend on the dirt tactics to win the matches or stay in premiership. In fact, they played very beautiful and memorable matches.

On the hand there are teams such as Bolton and Blackburn which impose physical game as a way to survive in premiership. It’s their strategies. However, when you have a mediocre players who compensate their skills with bad tackles, the end results is unattractive football matches and injuries,


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comment by nk2971 (U14528076)

posted Sep 17, 2010

Allardyce had the fluency and finesse of a three-legged rhino in his playing days. The sooner he and his short-sighted supporters realise that the game extolled by Arsenal is how the sport should be played, the better. Not only for the sake of all the kids watching and learning, but for the future of the England team, who, for some utterly mystifying reason, Allardyce feels he is best placed to manage!!
When you don't have the sheer nouse to compete on footballing terms with an adversary, the first thing an insecure manager does is to resort to a physical approach. Graeme Souness applied this format to a great (and winning) Liverpool team. He lost plaudits (though won an fa cup), and in my opinion, pushed Liverpool into a hole they have struggled to get out for a while.
PLay the game as it should be played Allardyce, and make the EPL a great exponent - Otherwise take your pill and drop down a league or two. It's your environment.

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posted Sep 23, 2010

I now understand why Sammie's boys do what they do. We all know that the game is a contact game but its still a game and not a fight. To say that when you get it wrong someone gets injured is not the best in my view and its not in the interest of 'The Beautiful Game'.

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posted Sep 23, 2010

Allardyce is trying to con the cunning. His teams are well known as butchers on the field, and have probably contributed more career halting injuries than any others. A referees main job is to stamp that sort of thing out. Wenger is right to encourage the refs to do their job.
It has also not gone unnoticed how the bookies are profiting from having the refs ignore fouls by sides that are not the favourites to win!

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posted Sep 23, 2010

Wenger's not a lone voice in the wilderness.

I've been heartened by the recent comments from Mark Hughes re: foul challenges.

Hughes is, and will probably remain, my favourite ever Man U player.

Hard, tough, would take no prisoners and could look after himself.

When he speaks out on this subject you know there's a problem.

Referees have a responsibilty, duty of care if you like, to ensure the safety of players and recognise foul play in all it's guises and have the awareness to see, react and sanction these misdemeanours.

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