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Sad and Angry about yesterday, but tbh it has been coming for a while. Its easy to say that without Pirlo, we were missing something in this competition, but to be honest we werent geat in qualification.

Its understandable considering the players who we have lost ie the totti's and the del piero's.

What we need now is to see the new generation of italian footballers to come through. Its a shme that players like Pazzini and Giovinco havent lived up to their initial hype but if we put out a similar team come the Euro's it could be a disaster.

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posted Jun 25, 2010

darren62 (U5464189) - Fair point but I have not read anything that say's he is unstable. But surely he has such a great goal scoring record (I looked at wiki) that it would not have bothered some managers...and maybe if he was given the chance he may have flourished..
How do you mean unstable and unpredictable ?

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posted Jun 26, 2010

I remember when italian football first hit our screens in 1992 on channel 4 i was struck with the quality of player(italian & foreign) in serie A. The prem had been started up by Sky and we couldnt afford satellite then so it was arelief to have some football besides highlights and the FA cup. My point is that if you look through the Italy sides of 1994-2006 the players were in top bracket in most positions.

1994-Baresi,Pagliuca,Maldini,Albertini,D Baggio, R baggio,signori(they left out Vialli!!)

1998-Vieri,R baggio, Del Piero, Maldini, Di Biagio,Nesta, Cannavaro

2002-Totti, Vieri, Del Piero,Nesta, Cannavaro, Buffon

2006-Totti,Inzaghi,Zambrotta,Grosso,Cannavaro,Nesta,Toni, Buffon,Pirlo

So there has always been a certain level of quality. The current squad just don`t have it. The fllowing were either poor or past it:
Marchetti
Zambrotta
Cannavaro
De rossi
Gattuso
Marchisio
Di natale
Iaquinta
Gilardino
Pepe
Camoranesi

New faces:
Balotelli(inter)
Motta(Roma)
Candreva(juve)
Aquilani(l`pool)
Cassano(Sampdoria)
G. Rossi(villareal)
Ranocchia(bari)
Bonucci(bari)
Criscito(genoa)
De ceglie(juve)
Bochetti(genoa)
Sirigu(palermo)
Santon(inter)

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Italy have suffered the same problem as many defending champions, Stick or twist?

When you have team that has done the business already, do you change it or do you put your faith in them again. Italy like many other European teams had a aging golden generation that Lippi rightfully thought had one more big fight in them, unfortunately it did not pay off.

Bringing in the few new players that were not as established and with little 'big game' experience at club level told and they fell at the first hurdle. As a football fan, the first 2 group games were very painful viewing.

How can new players in the squad get a game when you have the likes of Cannavaro, Zambrotta et al owning the positions 'since god was a child'.

New players were not given the opportunity to step up to international football without the pressure of having to win!

I really feel for Italy as a nation, going out as they did must have been painful. As an England supporter, It would certainly have bought me on the brink of suicide to have gone through what the Italian supporters went through.

Cannavaro is one of the most exceptional defenders to have graced the beautiful game and the torment he will have to go through to erase the memory of 2010 will be difficult.

If the new coach comes in and gives the youngsters a chance to play (which seems to be one of his specialties) and gives them the support and guidance, they will be there at the latter stages of the European cup to which I have no doubt. The Italians always do well in the face of adversity.

This world cup has shown that the game has moved on and metamorphisised, the Established European teams need to move on or watch the trophy spend more time in South America.

Thank you Mr. Cannovaro for giving us our money's worth on the field for so long with exceptional grace, pace and integrity.

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comment by Meazza (U7140124)

posted Jun 26, 2010

Lippi must be blamed.

He took a mediocre squad of aging grafters. He refused all calls to include a bit of flair. In my opinion he had to take at least one of Cassano, Totti, Balotelli or even Rossi. He stocked his squad with Juventini, despite them having an horrific season.

At the actual tournament he didn't have a clue about his formation, played players out of position, started players such as Gilardino who was very much out of form and Iaquinta who's never had a spell of form in his life.

You can't pin much of the blame on the players as the coach left them rudderless. Cannavaro should have had the grace to retire, but the coach needs to be strong enough to drop him. Other players who were out of form or who were never good enough in the first place turned up and did what was expected; they flopped. Again it's up to the coach to be firm and drop them.

Perhaps the Federation were too deferential to Lippi, but why wouldn't you take back a World Cup winning coach? Even if they then think Lippi is making mistakes they can hardly snipe from the sidelines.

Lippi has held his hands up, but I'm extremely disappointed that a coach of his calibre didn't see this coming. This will rightly tarnish an otherwise glittering career.

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Italians are the most pessimistic people on Earth when it comes to football. One tournament goes wrong, and all of a sudden the 'talent well' has dried up; the players are sub-standard; the managers are useless etc,...

Put it this way, if England had won the title 4 years ago, we would still be watching highlights of it to this very day.

I admit, Lippi made some grave errors in his squad selcetion, AND at the tournament itself, but HIS errors should not disguise the fact that we are blessed with plenty of talent in our league. Just look at the players left out of the final-23; Cassano, Miccoli, Balotelli, Giovinco, Motta, de Silvestri, Nocerino...

Anyone who thinks the well is drying up should watch highlights of last years U-21 Championships, particularly the Germany-Italy match. Giovinco was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch, in a game featuring Ozil. Our defence was untroubled for large parts by a German side featuring SIX players who made Joachim Loew's final-23 for South Africa.

Funnily enough, we should have done what the Germans did; used the WC to integrate our younger players into the national set-up alongside the more experienced individuals, who would act as guides.

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posted Jun 26, 2010

PS

As much as I admire Prandelli, I would've rather had someone like Spalletti in charge. His Roma were used to challenging for big titles, and were regulars in the Champions League. Also, he would've got us playing good football.

Anyway, on a more important note, I hope Prandelli doesn't show the pettiness and favouritism that we've seen from past Azzurri coaches, e.g., Lippi, Trap and Sacchi.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

Anyone who thinks the well is drying up should watch highlights of last years U-21 Championships, particularly the Germany-Italy match. Giovinco was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch, in a game featuring Ozil. Our defence was untroubled for large parts by a German side featuring SIX players who made Joachim Loew's final-23 for South Africa.

Funnily enough, we should have done what the Germans did; used the WC to integrate our younger players into the national set-up alongside the more experienced individuals, who would act as guides.

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Excellent points well made Pirlo! The Azzurini played them off the park in that match! It's so disappointing that we didn't play the younger players this World Cup. I mean could it possibly have turned out worse than it did?
I think Prandelli is quite a wise choice, & I don't think he will show the favouritism of the past, but I do share your views on Spalletti. Another manager who I rate is Ranieri. Why oh why did Juve get rid of him??

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posted Jun 28, 2010

No, the players I listed would not have done a worse job than the sad lot that went.

Pepe, whom I've defended on a few occasions, has hopefully played himself out of future Azzurri contention; Di Natale doesn't look the same player as the one in black & white; Iaquinta looked like a poor man's Heskey - never thought I'd say those words! Gilardino may as well have stayed home because I don't recall him having a single touch of the ball; and Gattuso & Canna shouldn't have been there in the first place, but that goes without saying.

Having said all that, the two the players who I expected to make a name for themselves were amongst the most disappointing - Marchisio and Criscito. It got to a point when the Beeb commentators were saying Italy needed Grosso back!

And while the rest didn't cover themselves in glory, there is still some quality in there. Buffon has maybe one more World Cup in him (fitness permitting). De Rossi is untouchable in that midfield, depsite the shocker against Slovakia. Montolivo is no Pirlo but he showed glimpses of class. Quagliarella arguably had the 'game' of his life against the Slovaks - his brand of creativity is invaluable.

Add in the new-gen and you've got the makings of a very good side. Not necessarily world-beaters, but still a solid unit who would be a match for any team.

At least that's the task facing Prandelli.

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posted Jun 29, 2010

Pirlo-vision

Yeah pretty much in agreement. Montolivo has been great all season & despite the paucity of Italy's attacking play I thought he was a stand out for the Azzuri in our 1st 2 games at the WC. His horror show in the final game by no means set him apart from the rest of the cowards & was in a big way down to the lack of movement & the fearful nature of the body-language of those around him. He could defo have a future, Aquilani too if hr stays clear of injury. I'd personally like to see him return to Italy & Juve in particular as he is the creative type midfield player we have lacked since dare I say it Zidane left. Diego certainly hasn't lived up to his star billing!
I hear good things about Cigarini but must admit I haven't seen much of him. Marchisio has disappointed me pretty much all season in a Juve shirt. He started so well & I remember especially his glorious winner against Juve but he faded badly & was perennially on the fringes of games & I'm frankly surprised that he still made the final 23. Still a potential future star though. Quagliarella defo has a future for me he's almost always done something special every time I've watched him play, & Pirlo aint finished yet. He's just a quality player.

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posted Jun 29, 2010

comment by JuventiniofLeeds (U9480296)

posted 3 Days Ago

Onlyinter � I�m curious, do you care that you (usually) have no Italians in the starting lineup? aside from your economic argument. For me I would rather pay more and wait for success so that the team was more Italian. I am prepared for Juve to continue without trophies until they can build a solid homegrown foundation because I want so safeguard the future for my club and country. We tried to buy all the cheaper foreigners in the mid 2000�s and we were left with a team of mercenaries that had no soul but could grind out results. (Ibra, Emerson, Viera etc I�m talking to you)

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Personally I simply don't care about the nationality of our players but I care about the quality of the squad and the financial health of the club.
That's why I couldn't be happier about the recent success and especially about the way has been built spending money with common sense... a big difference from what we used to do in the past.
Also we've been investing and working a lot with the youth academy and the results are teams at the very top in every age-level for few years now.
I'm sure, as the quality of italian footballers will rise again, we will see italian players with an Inter shirt as we always did in the past.

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