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Wales Need a Classy Lineout Coach

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by Ospreydragon (U14332915) 05 June 2010
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Yet again, unreliable, poor lineouts and an inability to secure our ball. Add to that a sometimes creaking scrum, multiple turnovers, poor restarts, and failure to protect the ball in the collisions/at the breakdown, and it all adds up to a lack of ability to carry out the basics under pressure.

The lineout has been a disaster for years now. I have no doubt that it's a coaching issue. Wales will never succeed at world level without the basics and reliable set pieces -- especially the lineout. SA had to do very little except be physical and wait for our mistakes to capitalize, which they did. Well done to SA -- and it shows what a classy side they are.

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posted Jun 6, 2010

Thank you! Mr Baron Victorious! A man who knows his rugger!

You cannot take Wasps rugby to Wales!

Wales do not have the best pack in the world, and big physical men, and cannot play this way!

Wales are just born to play rugby, to use the ball, to play with flair, and to score flippin tries!!!

You just dont see it anymore with Wales, only in the last 10-20 minutes of games do you see us score tries from basically the complete opposite of what we were doing for the last 60 odd minutes! By just running it and play how Wales naturally should, only then do you start seeing running lines, supporting lines, the likes of shane, burne and hooky startin to play.

Cheerio please Mr WG please, and that english muppet.

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posted Jun 6, 2010

You're more than welcome,Sion, but I think you've summed it up more succinctly: 'you cannot takes 'Wasps rugby to Wales'- exactly!

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posted Jun 6, 2010

Baron. Gatland has his strengths and weaknesses like any coach, and he doesn't have half the experience of the NZ coaching team for example.
But he and Edwards have undoubtedly taken Wales forward in a way they haven't gone forward in 20 years or so.
Young players are coming through in a way only France and Australia can match at the moment.
He was forced to develop the physicality of the Welsh players just to meet the needs of the modern professional game, and he's admitted the technical and individual side of the game may have suffered a little.
But now the players are up to speed conditioning wise I would expect the great talent of the squad to come to the fore over the next 18 months and produce, if not a golden era, then at least a team up there with the best in the world.
It gives us Welsh fans hope because Wales came out of the blue to win the Rugby Sevens World Cup last year.
Might be good if they did the same in 15s.

Wales were also well short of full strength yesterday don't forget, not just the Springboks.
Its a bit misleading to say South Africa were weaker.
They had a lot of form players from the Bulls and Stormers, and if anything Matfield and Roussow is a stronger second row than Matfield and Botha (who can be a bit of a loose cannon).
They built their entire comeback yesterday around those two players and the hooker Smit, and its not as though the two props weren't exceptionally experienced also. World class tight five, great half back pairing and one of the world's best full backs in Steyn, not to mention the form centre in South Africa in Fourie.
When you consider Wales had Prydie, Halfpenny and Warburton, three young players, and South Africa still struggled.
If I were Gatland I would be smiling inwardly at the prospects over the next few years.

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comment by induna (U14404746)

posted Jun 6, 2010

@ Crashballtalking, Sigma and Recwatcher;

I agree this was a good Bok team and that Wales too had several players out with injury, but there is little point in evading some basic truisms, which point to the fact that had the proper Bok team played, perhaps some harsher realities might have had to be entertained, such as a considerable pojnts deficit....and that is:

1. This was a Bok team that had precisely 3 days to get to know each other. The overseas players had hardly met let alone played with many of the newbies.

2. The "Stars" ie Matfield, Roussouw, Fourie, Kirchner, de Jongh, Aplon, Louw, and Januarie etc... had 7 days earlier played in a crazed, no holds barred S14 final (and a semi the week before that) then jumped on a plane, (Matfield a few days later after Bekker's "injury") so were jaded and to quote Matfield: "Sore"

3. This is a list of the real starting line-up players who didnt play in this game:

Beast Mtawarira - currently on ice pending resolution of his nationality

Bismarck du Plessis - Injured

Gurthro Steenkamp - rested

Bakkies Botha - suspended

Schalk Burger - rested

Juan Smith - compassionate leave

Pierre Spies - rested

Heinrich Brussouw - injured

Fourie du Preez - injured undergoing surgery

Morne Steyn - rested

Brian Habana - rested

Jean de Villiers - injured

J P Pietersen - injured

That's 13 players, and I may have left others out.

Another point to bear in mind is that Ireland's lineout has improved by leaps and bounds since they hired the Bok 2007 WC winners coach, Gert Smal who incidentally was one of Matfield's training mentors between 2005-7 when he arguably ascended (no pun intended) to the pinnacle of line-outdom

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posted Jun 7, 2010

Nice points Induna. It seems Crashball is too anti-Boks for his own good.
I particularly enjoyed his comments last week about the Boks 'disrespecting Wales' and that they will be 'sent packing'.

Yes, Januarie and Pienaar are experienced but Januarie has been the 2nd choice for the stormers and Pienaar IS NOT a flyhalf.

We will see a far better SA team this weekend against the French. It should be another great game but I dont think anyone will match the Boks this year.

Hard Luck Wales - a great game and there is nowhere better on Earth to watch rugby than in Cardiff, especially on a lovely summer's day.

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posted Jun 7, 2010

It'll be very interesting to see who lines up for the RSA in the 3N. I'm not expecting too many of those involved against Wales to have really advanced their cases for inclusion, despite or perhaps because of the narrow win.

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posted Jun 7, 2010

T B V - Most of the lads who were not playing against Wales I should imagine and those that were out injured.

Pretty obvious really, yes?

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posted Jun 8, 2010

Induna. Take your point, but Wales were coming together short of preparation aswell. The Ospreys had played in Ireland in the Grand Final at the weekend, and Jones and Rees had been out of rugby for nearly a month.
They had only had five days together as a unit themselves.
The Bulls and the Stormers were well drilled outfits making up a large slice of the Springbok team, and Smit and Matfield can probably hit it off at lineout time in their sleep nowadays.
Wales could and should have won the game and there are single doubts over the squad's mental toughness, but they were lacking a lot of senior players and experience.
Losing Jenkins, Powell, M and S Williams, Charteris, and having AW Jones on the bench.
Thats a lot of maturity and expertise sitting it out, and dropping out in the final week.
Gatland won't be worrying yet, and will know that when the squad really comes together early next year for the World Cup he has a lot of resources to call on.
He'll certainly be feeling better than either Martin Johnson or Declan Kidney in my view.

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