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Desperate , Jealous Team-mates

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by Borntolead (U14480088) 01 June 2010
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My take on what we saw happen Vettel took out himself and damaged Webber in what can only bwe described as a stupid attemt to overtake, was that Vettel was desperate not to be outshone by Webber winning again. I felt there was a measure of desperation in Vettel's attempted overtake, possibbly borne out of jealousy over the fact that Webber has taken all the Limelight over the past few races and was about, not only to do so, but also take a clear lead in the championship.

Button's attempt to take the lead off Hamilton , I'm sure was motivated by similar reasoning; Button having No1 on his as current world champion must be feeling miffed that Lewis the one everyone sees as No1 at McLaren.

Both Vettel and Button must be regretting their foolishness over the weeken which has tarnished both their reputations as well as their championship hopes.IMHO Lewis is now favourite for the WDC.

Both Martin Whitmarsh and Christian Horner now have a significant man management problem on their hands

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posted Jun 2, 2010

comment by Brown-Bottle (U8267858)
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...."Seb is a great young driver but he really needs to do the right
thing and PUBLICLY apologize for this incident.".....
er, a German, apologizing publicly for ANYTHING, let alone a blatant error in a F1 race ?!?!?!? C'mon pal, where have you been since a certain Michael Schumacher came to prominence, dragging his younger brother with him...even after his 3 year "holiday" from F1, he still does not have the good grace to admit to his un-sporting ways in Monaco in 2006, or many other well-documented incidents over the years !
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What are you on about??!!

-Schumacher apologised back in 2006 publicly.
But the schumacher haters cant seem to let it go & seem to need an apology at every race this season!

Hes apologised once & thats enough.

These people need to move on and grow up.

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posted Jun 2, 2010

Hi,

Looking at the footage from Sunday's GP it appears Mr Vettel was less than honest regarding his attempted overtaking move on Mark Webber.

The word EGO comes to mind.

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posted Jun 2, 2010

"er, a German, apologizing publicly for ANYTHING, let alone a blatant error in a F1 race ?!?!?!? C'mon pal, where have you been since a certain Michael Schumacher came to prominence, dragging his younger brother with him...even after his 3 year "holiday" from F1, he still does not have the good grace to admit to his un-sporting ways in Monaco in 2006, or many other well-documented incidents over the years !"
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Just because he won't publicly apologize, doesn't imply that he shouldn’t!

I've seen it all just as most of you have.."pal".

I'm not sure this has anything to do with being German, er..oh wait, this has nothing to do with Schumacher either...

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posted Jun 3, 2010

If you look at the footage you can see that Mark actually squeezes Seb who clearly had a run at him (probably due to the fuel saving Mark was on and Seb was not although he was due to be 1 lap later) I have to say I agree with one of Seb's comments that you cant aportion all of the blame to one person, but would say it was 70% Seb's fault, bourn out of the knowlage he had the advantage for 1 lap only. Look at the replay from Seb's car and he jinks right then left and Mark then moves over to the left to squeeze him. Seb had enough room, but Mark squeezed him and seb hit him. Sebs fault, but Mark is not blameless.

Hamilton missed the apex which gave JB the oppertunity to overtake, which Hamilton then got back and showed JB a clean pair of heels. All in all a bit interesting with out being a wet race.

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posted Jun 3, 2010

"If you look at the footage you can see that Mark actually squeezes Seb who clearly had a run at him "

Great imagination! What is most clear is that Webber held straight line and Vettel moved in to Webber before he was past. 100% Vettel mistake. The silly thing is that they were still a way off the braking point and if Vettel had held his extra speed for just a fraction of a second longer he would have been in clear air and do his turn back to the right safely.

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comment by mr_hag (U6038002)

posted Jun 3, 2010

According to 'autosport', It seems Webber asked the team to order Vettel to back off, but that didn't happen.
Does this change any opinions of the situation?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84093

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comment by mr_hag (U6038002)

posted Jun 3, 2010

The best RB team tactics at that point in the race was for Vettel to move ahead and race hard for one more lap, while Webber held off the McLarens.
Given the fact that RB did not know just how much more full racing the McLarens had in them, this is blindingly obvious.

Webber did not like that idea, so squeezed Vettel, who promptly made a mistake.

Webber created the situation which led to Vettel's mistake, so Webber is ultimately at fault.
Did he not get it? Maybe the team should have explained it very slowly to Webber....

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posted Jun 4, 2010

mr_hag (U6038002)
Do you have evidence of your comment "The best RB team tactics at that point in the race was for Vettel to move ahead and race hard for one more lap, while Webber held off the McLarens" or is it really just your opinion?

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posted Jun 8, 2010

I think its just a casr of people confusing their opinion s with fact again. laugh

Regardless of team tactics, it is blatantly obvious that all Webber did was hold his line while Vettel was trying to pass.

If Vettel wanted to get past Webber that badly, all he had to do was hold his own line a few seonds more to get clear of Webber's car before pulling across.

The accident was 100% Vettel's fault, regardless of what either driver was told by the team.

Must be some real dullards on here if they can't see that. doh

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