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Do England fans genuinely believe ????

World Cup England
by TheHotHead (U1997057) 21 May 2010
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I'm curious to know ... do England fans genuinely believe they can win the World Cup ?

If so ... why ? Don't past performances have any bearing ? What are England's advantages over other nations ? People talk about English team's dominance of the Champion's League as an indication of how good English football is .... but club football here has always been a steps ahead of international football.

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posted May 23, 2010


Every team needs a bit of luck but they also need a bit of divine inspiration, so often lacking from England but provided by Ronaldinho in 2002.

And it wasn't just luck. He was known for attempting and scoring outrageous goals and he'd done something very similar before...... I saw it myself on TV in Brazil.

Cafu knew it too...... watch him just before the free kick.

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posted May 23, 2010

It goes to show, that the only reason the English Premiere League is "the best in the world" is due to the inclusion of the massive amount of foreign players in our club teams.

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posted May 23, 2010

t goes to show, that the only reason the English Premiere League is "the best in the world" is due to the inclusion of the massive amount of foreign players in our club teams.
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Very true. Foreign imports have made the Premiership what it is today. The vast amounts of cash which have been pumped into the league have made buying from abroad a far quicker and seemingly easier way to build a winning side than investing in youth

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posted May 23, 2010

you have to admit corzellian, England do go out in spectacular style!

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posted May 23, 2010

Yeah but toolpwn, an outsider who hasnt seen every Premier League game this season will probably highlight, at the very least; Gerrard, Rooney and Lampard as world class based on previous international tournaments/champs league. Have you seen what form all of those players you mention have been in recently? On a side note, I don't really rate Kaka anyway.
My point is, they all may have just as many internal problems within the squad as England supposedly does. It's all to play for and not necessarily about the best group of individual world class players but the best working team.

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posted May 24, 2010

If you think it's that hopeless then you should lend your players to Australia, and with that array of talent we'll win it for you. ;)

Seriously though, if/when Spain and Brazil go out (and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Brazil could go out at the group stage) it'll be very wide open.

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posted May 24, 2010

Do i Believe? .............

I always believe.

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posted May 24, 2010

no, because nothing has changed in the last 10 years, when these players sarted to 'get-together.'

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posted May 24, 2010

Mike Allison (U5388681) - <doh>

You highlighted my comment about wingers, name the good ones then ! I dare you .. I double dare you !

Johnson ? SWP ? Walcott ? Young ? Lennon ? <laugh>

England don't have a great record in tournament football as you claim and whenever they come up against truly technical teams .. they lose !

Apart from the Holland demolition and the Germany demolition England NEVER rise to the occasion.

Where technical ability comes into it is at International level. English players at club level who are big fishes in their ocean do not gel together as a team, this is massively different to other more technical teams.

International football is a different beast to club fotball, our so-called technical players look mediocre on the world stage. Look at the golden generation, the previous 2 World Cups. Everyone thought we had a good chance with Terry, Ferdinand, Campbell, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Beckham, Owen, Sheringham, Fowler, etc etc.

People looked at the squad and saw individual world beaters .. but they got knocked out in the first knockout round in 2002 and 2006. As a collective they are not good enough.

I always thought the squad that Bobby Robson had were better players and better suited to international football. This lot are simply overhyped.

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posted May 24, 2010

"of course anybody can win the world cup, but the probabilityn of an event occuring in future depends largely on the frequency with which it has occured in the past"

it depends hopw you analys that probailityn(!!!)

you could go down the route that we have lost on pens to the winners many times (but off course only on draws and pens) there the probaitilian(!!!) should tell us we have to win a pen shoot out one day!!!

we have a great chance , and our record is sctually very very good if you pay attention to it.

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