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Hail King Ernie!

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by BARCASPUR (U3768229) 29 March 2010
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Back where he belongs, what a great golfer!

Knee injury, child health issues, and too much travelling in my opinion, just didn't work for a while. I doubted he would get back from there.

Ernie made the right decision by sticking closer to base this year. All the hard work paid off, proving a few people wrong including me.

Well done China!!!

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posted Mar 30, 2010

If Tiger had pitched and putted 3 out of the last 4 after double bogey, bogey it would have been seen as a gutsy finish and a mark of his mental strength.

When Ernie does it it's regarded as a lack of bottle and weakness in his game.

I was at a Dinner last year to promote Peter Allis's latest book and he also thought Ernie was on the slow slide down the rankings. Lets be honest - most of us did.

Would be great for golf if Ernie won the Masters - best of luck big man.

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posted Mar 30, 2010

Well SR as Goldie says he made statements about changing his image so lets see if they hold any water. I for one am willing to wait and see.
For me charisma really is as simple as having something that makes people want to watch, you cant break it down to specific actions like showing passion. Its just as I said that x factor that some people seem to have.
I dont really think you can compare the likes of Howell and Poulter to Woods, even someone like Garcia. Woods was the global face of a sporting corporate giant, Howell could probably walk down Oxford st and not get recognised. Different expectations, different pressures.

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posted Mar 30, 2010

Diggers, Federer has achieved more than Woods in his chosen sport in terms of majors, is also a poster face of Nike, yet despite being a little smug and smarmy has a far more rounded character, is more approachable, good sense of humour and is a far more sporting, often gracious in defeat and respectful to his opponents.
Woods has a talent that makes people want to watch but I don't think he has that human quality that endeears him to the public like Seve or Ali.

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posted Mar 30, 2010

SR, its purely down to preference. I know loads of people who cannot abide Federer, you can see that by having a look on the tennis boards. I personally think he seems like a very nice guy as long as he is winning and is a pretty pathetic when he is the loser. Ali, well he had charisma but read a few books about the guy, he did some things that really were very unpleasant indeed, far from being a well rounded individual thats for sure.
As for Seve, well you get old and in his case ill and suddenly the past gets rewritten. Seve was often very sullen on a golf course and was often a completely disinterested person when being interviewed. He certainly didnt always bounce round the course with a grin on his face, far from it.
Its all horses for courses, none of them are perfect, certainly who knows what they are like behind closed doors.

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posted Mar 30, 2010

Diggers, what I mean is that Woods can't light up a room, he's a pretty dour humourless individual and you'd probably avoid a "normal" person with the same characteristics (at least in his public persona, he might be a laugh a minute off course but I doubt it.)
He's got an image problem at present, i'll be interested to see if this changes as he promised. If it does I might end up warming to him a bit. I don't deny he's a great golfer, but as a person he's cold, humourless, dreary, lacks humility, manners and decorum and for those reasons I simply can't root for him to do well, even if he is undoubtedly the best all round golfer at present.

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comment by Diggers (U2300584)

posted Mar 30, 2010

You cant root for him....really?
No fair enough, the world would be a dull place if we all thought the same. Like I say though, I dont care if cant light up a room (you really think Federer could, he defines dull for me) , for me what he can do is light up a golf course (the same way Federer lights up a tennis court) which is all Im really bothered about at the end of the day.

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comment by edmund (U6544721)

posted Mar 30, 2010

super_realist, what are you on about? The reason why you find Tiger boring with interviews is that he is always in front of the camera win or lose. How many more version can you give to the same questions for ten years?

I for one don't follow Golf interviews, because unlike football, there is little contoversy to talk about.

Just wait until Augusta and enjoy the Tiger fist pumping action.

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posted Mar 30, 2010

Diggers, I didn't say Federer could light up a room, and although I don't like him I do think he's got a slightly more likeable personality and shows a bit more humility than Woods (even if he is smug and smarmy.)
I think what it boils down to is whether people show likeable emotion, 99% of the time Woods is just a souless robot, and what emotion he does show is annoying,(e.g his antics at The Masters when he chipped in, and his gang sign at The Presidents Cup).
I remember in the Ryder Cup when Levet was playing someone (can't remember who) and the Yank had knocked it to about 3 foot on a par 3. Levet followed and knocked it to about a foot, gave a gallic shrug, slapped his opponent on the back and they moved on together. Woods just seems to lack this sort of humility and camaraderie with anyone. He just seems aloof to me.
Woods isn't the only one I dislike. Anyone who brings religion or god into proceedings automatically get black balled.
Woods can indeed light up a golf course, but in the same way we've got soft spots for football teams we've no connection with I just can't find anything that I like in Woods that makes me look or for his results or will him to win. He just doesn't seem to have any redeeming qualities that I respect or admire.

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comment by Diggers (U2300584)

posted Mar 30, 2010

Levet is renowned on tour for being a top bloke so I can believe that.
Look Im far from being Woods biggest fan in terms of his personality, in fact I used to despise the guy but really I have been won over to admiring him just by the sheer weight of his golfing achievements.
I also think to a degree people are products of their environment and he hasnt had a normal childhood or in fact life, his recent actions strike me as those of a guy who is actually pretty unhappy and insecure. Now thats in no way an excuse for him but he has not had the life of a normal person and sometimes I think this shows.

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posted Mar 30, 2010

Diggers, I don't disagree, Woods has won everything worth winning. His golf is not in dispute, but until he lightens up and starts looking like he's enjoying himself and showing the world that he actually has a personality then I'd rather someone who was also a great golfer and had a likeable character or demeanour won instead.
I can understand why you might admire him, purely from a golf point of view, but he's not for me. <ok>

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