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by redevilmatth (U13943192) 24 January 2010
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he said carlos tevez's comment were out of context . i'm sure they were tevez is still hurting by the fact he didn't sign for united . i hope gary neville starts against city on wednesday night and wins the battle. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foo... what are your thoughts ?

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posted Jan 25, 2010

Re. Kapnag (U11006724)
posted 6 Minutes Ago

I'm only bringing them into it because you sounded like a wet lettuce saying neville should be binned as a captain over a gesture.

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You obviusly spend more time conversing with salads than I do, as I have no idea what a wet lettuce sounds like.

I said, and still say, that Neville brought the club into disrepute - any player who did that in public at a match would have done so, and it was worse that he was our club captain. I am not sure what you think the role of the club captain is.

You also seem confused by the difference between someone haveing a reason to do something and being justified in doing something. You seem further confused by the concept that, even if someone was seen to be justified in doing something wrong, it's generally best that they are still punished for the wrongdoing.

Let me give you an example which is not related to captaincy. When United played in the World in 1968 Estudiantes kicked George Best constantly - it6 was one of the worst displays of deliberate, sustained fouling I've ever seen. Finally, Best snapped and got into a fight and punched one of their players. Anyone watching understood, and probably thought he was justified (I know I did!). He was sent off, and rightly so. That's the point.

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posted Jan 25, 2010

Re, Kapnag (U11006724)
posted 2 Minutes Ago

As for Cantona - you r3eally are confused here. I didn't begrudge him the captaincy at all, far from it. Have you not been paying attention?

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I know - that's the point I'm making. One player can jump into the crowd and start punching someone, but another can't give an opposing player a sly finger for running half the length of the pitch to celebrate in his face!

I cannot see how you would think Neville's actions are worthy of a severe punishment, but turn around and say Eric "did his time, a worthy captain", unless you forgot about Eric and judged Neville on his own. That's the point I've always been making

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No, Cantona WAS punished. Do you not understand that? Having served his punishment he then became captain. Neville did something wrong (and not for the first time) and he has NOT been punished. He behaved publicly in a way which is not fitting for a club captain to behave - because part of his DUTIES is to behave well in public.

If Cantona had been club captain when he did the kung-fu kick it would have been right for him to lose the captaincy. Are you saying that if he had been club captain when he did it, he should have remained club captain? You would be happy for the message to go out - 'That's what United are all about'?

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comment by Kapnag (U11006724)

posted Jan 25, 2010

You would be happy for the message to go out - 'That's what United are all about'?

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Well wasn't that the message United sent out when Fergie flew over and begged him to stay? Nothing but public support for Eric, people showing up at his trial in support. Isn't that message re-enforced when he is made captain? "We don't care about his past, he is our captain". If he was captain at the time, anyone saying "he should be stripped of his captaincy" would have definitely been in a minority of 1.

Neville shouldn't get punished - it was a nothing incident. If it had happened in League 1 you wouldn't have heard a thing about it.

But because it's Neville, people are all over it.

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posted Jan 25, 2010

Re. Kapnag (U11006724)
posted Just Now

You would be happy for the message to go out - 'That's what United are all about'?

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Well wasn't that the message United sent out when Fergie flew over and begged him to stay? Nothing but public support for Eric, people showing up at his trial in support. Isn't that message re-enforced when he is made captain? "We don't care about his past, he is our captain". If he was captain at the time, anyone saying "he should be stripped of his captaincy" would have definitely been in a minority of 1.

Neville shouldn't get punished - it was a nothing incident. If it had happened in League 1 you wouldn't have heard a thing about it.

But because it's Neville, people are all over it.

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He had served his sentence - that's the point of punishments like this. Nothing you say there touches my argument at all. And you didn't answer my question.

Because it's Neville? No, for me it's because Neville is our club captain. That is the point - you seem to think being club captain is some meaningless little title given out like sweetie. Do you have no respect for the club or that job at all?

I think Neville needs to sort himself out. However, I guarantee that if he was asked he would say being club captain is a great honour and a great responsibility. You clearly don't.

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posted Jan 25, 2010

you clearly don't

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I'm not the one picking and choosing which indiscretions are detrimental to the history of club captaincy! I don't see what difference it makes whether you do it before or after the event.

But using this idea that once you've served your time, that is that - If Neville received a 3 match ban for this gesture, you'd be happy to forget about it?

And what question didn't I answer? I said that nobody would have stripped Eric of the captaincy if he was captain at the time.

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posted Jan 25, 2010

Re. Kapnag (U11006724)
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you clearly don't

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I'm not the one picking and choosing which indiscretions are detrimental to the history of club captaincy! I don't see what difference it makes whether you do it before or after the event.

But using this idea that once you've served your time, that is that - If Neville received a 3 match ban for this gesture, you'd be happy to forget about it?

And what question didn't I answer? I said that nobody would have stripped Eric of the captaincy if he was captain at the time.

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A three match ban would be irrelevant because he would still be club captain.

And yes, Cantona would have been stripped of the captaincy. Do you really want a club captain who is banned from football for 9 months? What an attitude towards this club you have. Apart from the fact that it would be wrong, we would be the laughing stock of football.

Why dom you have so little regard for the job or the club? Do you think all the club is about is us against them? That the only values are winning, that standards of behaviour shouldn't apply to Manchester United?

How about if Gerrard had made that gesture to Neville, what would you say?

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posted Jan 26, 2010

Who cares?

Tevez is a footballer who moves from club to club.

Neville is the proud captain of the biggest club in the world (as stated by Cook, City's CEO). Obviously if he sees somebody, particularly an ex- Manchester United player, disrespecting the club and its supporters then he will defend the club. Neville is an intelligent and passionate man who is well respected by almost all the players in England, he is loved by United fans for always putting the club first, and is the perfect captain.

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posted Jan 26, 2010

Re. Reduncan (U13839406)
posted Just Now

Who cares?

Tevez is a footballer who moves from club to club.

Neville is the proud captain of the biggest club in the world (as stated by Cook, City's CEO). Obviously if he sees somebody, particularly an ex- Manchester United player, disrespecting the club and its supporters then he will defend the club. Neville is an intelligent and passionate man who is well respected by almost all the players in England, he is loved by United fans for always putting the club first, and is the perfect captain.


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Shame he didn't put the club first last week.

Please state that you believe Machester United should have absolutely no moral standards - so long as we win.

You don't know much about the club.

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