posted Nov 11, 2009

biscuits, just dont agree. He has beaten fed three times this year, beaten nadal, beaten del potro and other top players

Lets agree to disagree ! djokovic also gave nadal a serious battle on clay throughout the season, more than anybody else except soderling. he is the complete player on all surfaces

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posted Nov 11, 2009

Unfortunately he's the complete fourth best player on all surfaces.

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posted Nov 11, 2009

For all these amazing 'battles' and 'performances' against the big players this year, what's he actually won ? His biggest title has been Beijing, one slam semi. He hasn't won a 1000/slam since the beginning of last year. He's huffed and puffed alright but that's all very well if you can translate them into wins.

For what it's worth, I think Djokovic is one of the serious favourites in Melbourne next year, alongside Federer.

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posted Nov 11, 2009

eh he won last week in case you didnt notice. Last week alone he beat Wawrinka, Stepanek and Federer (in his own backyard).

Credit where its due. He had far tougher opponents to beat than murray did in valencia.

Fact is nobody said anything about djokovic going into australian open and us open and he actually went further than murray in both !!!

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posted Nov 11, 2009

Basle isn't quite on a par with a Masters Series lol, and Murray went further in Paris and SW19, so what's your point ?

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posted Nov 11, 2009

on the subject of Djoko and Murray.

For one thing in slams this year, both players have done as well as each other in terms of rounds won. However this year is a relative slump for Novak while it was supposed to be Murray's breakthrough year. You could say last year was better but that's really only by virtue of one US open final appearence (and I'll remind you that Djokovic gave Federer a much tougher game in the semis as well as in the previous years final) In 2007-2008 Novak made at least the semis in 6 out of the 8 slams (one final, one win) so this year is more of an exception than standard form in my book.


You also look at who they've lost to in slams this year and at least Djokovic can say he was beaten in one major by a higher ranked player. Murray can't.

Then there's the many times Djoko has justified his top 3 place by making the semis of slams. 7 times in the semis compared to 2 by Murray, 8 times only beaten by Fed or Nadal compared to 3 with Murray.

Sorry but Although Andy has improved and Djokovic has slipped, Murray still hasn't equalled what Djokovic has achieved. Djokovic has won a major, been more succesful in majors (even this year he's been equal to Andy) won the same amount of masters but been in more finals and won the tennis masters cup.

It could be that Djokovic is just going through a bad year, we won't really know til next year. Andy is also having a breakthrough period - it just comes a year or two after Novak did it. How do you know he won't hit a slump soon like Novak did?

As for all this "Andy will achieve more" sorry, no-one can know who will do more, you can only say who's done more up to this point and that's Djokovic.

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posted Nov 11, 2009

have to disagree about your views on murray he is only 22 and not past the age to win grand slams look at ivanisevic he didnt win his first grand slam until he was nearly 30. Also its way to early to be predicting next years grand slam winners imo.

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posted Nov 13, 2009

Djoko said before the start of AUS that he couldn't see how anyone could place Murray as favourite ahead of Roger, Rafa and himself. It's fine for Murray fans to say he will win a Grand Slam at some point, but you can't place him ahead of Djoko, Fed, Nadal, or now even Del Potro, all of whom have already won slams. Otherwise you're just creating false hope.

At the end of 2008, everyone was convinced 2009 would be his year. Why make bold predictions now, just makes you look foolish later on?

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posted Nov 13, 2009

Biscuits: Murray is a better player than Djokovic, surely that is pretty obvious! And can you remember the last time he beat Andy? I'll give you a clue, it was a while ago.

History will show one player achieving considerably more than the other. And it won't be Novak.
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I hope not, that would be a real blow to a varied, unusaual talent to be beaten by what is often robotic mediocrity IMO.

Saldy though that often happens, maybe Andy will never achieve as much as Djoko in terms of titles, but I woudl still wager that when they retire Andy will own Djoko interms of H2H and will be remembered for the classic matches and more interesting style of play and a less orthodox shot making ability.

Also Djoko won a slam - was it a bit of luck? Well not really as he had to beat Federer, but I would bet that if Muaary had beaten Fed and gone on to win the AO that people would say he was lucky! Beign real, Fed was not himself that year and it was the start of a decline by his perfect standards following the mono virus. Nole played well but I don't think he played so great as to completely smash a top form Fed. How many times does Fed lose in a GS in 3 sets?!

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posted Nov 13, 2009

So you don't think Rafa will win at least one slam next year, for the first time in 5 years? lol.

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