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Rosberg/Button/Barrichello = Brawn Poker?

Formula One
by gavinthegromit (U9474553) 29 October 2009
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Could the "timely" announcement by Rosberg that he is leaving Williams be engineered by the voice-by-John-Major bean-counter Nick Fry to put pressure on Button to accept a mediocre pay offer and sign? Hmmm let me think, YES

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comment by Noel (U14139923)

posted Oct 29, 2009

"No 27 of Villeneuve in a Ferrari is legendary because he captured the imagination of people

much like the Red and white Mclaren with a yellow helmet in the late 80s"

But that's the whole point, isn't it? The number itself is irrelevant. If Mansell had stayed, I'd still remember him more for having a red number 5. And Damon Hill's 0 was more memorable than the 1 he took to Arrows.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

For what its worth I will say you all have made points that carry a certain degree of weight however its not quite so black and white as you're all making out.

I think the "no.1" status is a 'nice to have' requirement from a marketing perspective. Its not essential but it helps...marginally. I wouldn't say its essential for any major team - for a team with a lower profile like Arrows then this is different, however its more of a case of attracting the current World Champion than having the number 1 on the nose cone that draws attention - as was the case when Villeneuve left Williams for BAR.

There's not much evidence to suggest that any of the larger teams really covet the no.1 - Prost took the no.1 from McLaren to Ferrari (their arch enemies) in 1990.

Schumacher took it from Benetton to Ferrari in 1996.

The fact is, Williams was generally the dominant team over the 86-87 and 91-97 seasons. In 86-87 they were only a few top drivers and throughout both season Mansell and Piquet were seen among these.

From 91 onwards the situation is less clear. bar the driver poltics of the 91-93 seasons, once the '80's greats' had all retired/died then Williams found themselves in a situation where they had the best car however Benetton had a stranglehold over the best driver and so Frank was left searching for someone to compete with the German.

This was more a factor for the high driver turnover rate at Williams rather than any other reason - none of Hill, Coulthard, Frentzen nor Villeneuve sufficiently demonstrated to Frank that they could match Schumacher season after season - so he replaced each one in turn and kept searching. Again, there's more to it than this alone but what I've stated is a significant consideration.

I think the 'no.1' designation is more a matter of pride for the drivers than anything else. However, again this is merely my subjective view having followed the sport since the mid-80's.

I would say, I'm not aware of any evidence that suggests Frank covets the no.1 any more or less than any other team owner, nor would I say I've seen evidence to suggest his view of drivers differs vastly from the likes other previous team owners such as Eddie Jordan, Peter Sauber, Paul Stoddart or Ken Tyrell for that matter.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

The #1 in F1 doesn't mean anything like as much as it usd to. Ever since we changed toa system where the teams are all numbered based on finishing order nearly evry team changed numbers each year anyway. It used to be that you eitehr had 1/0 and 2 or you had your regular numbers (williams 5+6, ferrari 27+28 etc.). This gave them a set of numbers that could be (and were) marketed well, meaning that a championship year was a bigger deal for the number.

These days I dont expect many would know what number vettel of raikkonnen were this season.



Anyway, Rosberg will be at either Brawn or McLaren, depending on where Raikkonnen goes, he will get the other seat. There is a chance Button could end up at McLaren with both of them in Brawns (probably the best result for Button and Brawn that one) but it's unlikely.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

"Judging by the votes I am losing my audience! Sayonara"...."My audience"....What a nerd you really are Gavin.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

This is one of the most boring threads I have ever read. I'd rather read mindless trolls blasting Button for no reason other than he's successful than endure any more of this three-way argument that nobody seems to be able to gain any initiative in. It's hopeless.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

<applause>

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posted Oct 29, 2009

@Mr Biffo - well said that man, quality post, nice place to end it.

Thanks for your value-add BulletMonkey. Feel better? anything to say on the actual subject of this thread? No? Why are you here then? I suggest you join Super_Silver in jogging on. Troll away at someone else next time you pair of clowns.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

And Bulletmonkey if you actually bothered to read Mr Biffo's comment he sums up and concludes our three-way argument very neatly. Don't let your hope die <cry>

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comment by genji (U9914918)

posted Oct 29, 2009

comment by BulletMonkey (U7050289)

"This is one of the most boring threads I have ever read. I'd rather read mindless trolls blasting Button for no reason other than he's successful than endure any more of this three-way argument that nobody seems to be able to gain any initiative in. It's hopeless."

I thought it was quite entertaining and interesting, personally. Much better than the incessant troll posts.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

I guess that it all pretty clear now. Nico to Brawn and Kimi to Mclaren

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