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by Maccaaaaaaaaaa (U14112967) 28 September 2009
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Does anbody have any links for todays game??

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posted Sep 29, 2009

Another point to add:

Why is it, if you can only be great by being in the English game, that you recognise he was a great player despite never playing here? Or have you made the counterfactual argument that he would have proved himself as a player here?

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posted Sep 29, 2009

I'm saying he was a great player but would not have made a good manager in England like the vast majority of great players.

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posted Sep 29, 2009

So, you're saying he wasn't great manager despite winning a trophy per season on average; eleven trophies in eleven seasons (including three European trophies), with two different clubs, on the basis that you think, you don't know - how could you know, that he wouldn't be successful in England. It doesn't matter than he won the toughest club competition in the world, and runners-up as well. It doesn't matter that he won four consecutive La Liga titles, because, in your counterfactual opinion, he wouldn't have succeeded in England? You are the biggest egomaniac I've ever come across if you truly believe that. Myself, I just think you're scrapping the barrel. You invited people to prove you wrong, and they have.

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posted Sep 29, 2009

Djc - also when a Cruyff managed team played the best team in England they absolutely mauled them.

The facts show that he's an excellent manager. What on earth does his potential to manage in England have to do with anything?

Perhaps the broader question is why do excellent English players almost always prove to be rotten managers?

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posted Sep 29, 2009

that is what i did not make clear at first carlosestevez,great English players do not make good managers as my list inferred.Skashion, you deserve an answer but i do not have one yet, but please do not insult or get personal

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posted Sep 29, 2009

Zola being an English footballer after all...

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posted Sep 29, 2009

No, but do you think he's a good manager or ever will be?

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posted Sep 29, 2009

No, but that's not relevant to the point. Firstly, you said great players can't make great managers. So, other people pointed out Cruyff. So then you said "great English players do not make good managers as my list inferred". But you started this whole debate by saying that Zola is just another great player who won't become a great manager. So you've tied yourself in a knot. Your only means of escape are these; (1) admit you're wrong and that Cruyff was a great manager and a great player BUT most great players do not make great managers and club chairman should bear that in mind when appointing managers; (2) continue trying to say, despite all facts to the contrary, that Cruyff wasn't a great manager; (3) try to argue you meant great English players don't make great managers and prove that Zola is, in actuality, English, not Italian.

I'd take the first option if I were you.

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posted Sep 29, 2009

No,over it all i think I'm right,you don't think Zola is a good manager and I was after enlightenment, I was not being boastful when I said prove me wrong,but you are right .......it cannot be proved.I had forgotten Cruyff's record.Catch you later.

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posted Sep 29, 2009

I know Zola is Italian per che io parlo L'Italiano.It is a small point in my debate but i originally meant English players and Zola was an example of my main point.I had toyed with seldom or never but chose the latter.Old Diego "Hand of God"great player,rubbish manager.Yes,I concede,Johann was a brilliant boss.One out of two in hundreds of great players.Enjoy tonight's footy skashion and carlosestevez.Very good points.

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