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Last-gasp England women reach final

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by Marc Vesty (U13781900) 06 September 2009
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Jill Scott's powerful header in the second half of extra-time sent England through to the final of the European Championships in Finland.

England opened the scoring against the defensive Dutch side when Eniola Aluko squared her pass to Kelly Smith who slotted the ball into the corner.

The Netherlands hit back three minutes later as poor defending enabled Marlous Pieete to drive into the corner.

But, after missing a host of chances, Scott's late header finally won it.

England have not reached the final of a major championship since losing to Sweden in the inaugural European Championships in 1984, but will now face either Germany or Norway, who meet on Monday, in the final at the Olympic Stadium in Helsinki on Thursday (1700 BST).

What are your thoughts on England's fantastic achievement?

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posted Sep 8, 2009

Have to agree with everyone else about this not being a top story - attendances for womens games are commenly within the hundreds - this is clearly a minority sport and should not be top of the 606 news agenda. There is more public interest in darts than womens football, and don't get me wrong I'm not going to being dragged into a stupid debate about sexism, but the simple fact of the matter is that not many people want to talk about womens football, like it or not.

Well done to the England women's team for getting this far, but it's not the BBC's job to drum up public interest in sports like this - ice hockey is a minority sport in England but no-one wants to see that on the BBC.

To all the self righteous people out there looking for an ego trip because they're "defending womenkind", give it up. This is never going to be a sport which attracts more than a minor public interest.

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posted Sep 8, 2009

Flaps FC - Spot on . you have basically won the argument - all facts!

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True Toffee..
Also, for all the men on here who say women cannot compete in male sports, what about Ellen Macarthur?

She regulary beats men in yachting and held the record for the fastest solo circumnavigation of the globe.

And aside from that, beat all the men on Top Gear's "star in a reasonably priced car" competition.

OH MY G0D!! YOU ARE REALLY SCRAPING THE BARRELL! Of course - yachting is a sport available to the masses - especially all the kids on council estates! Muppet!!

TOP GEAR CAR!! Are you for real, using this as an example!! Lets see the top 3 - Simon 5ft1 cowell - 8stone wet, JK - 4ft 9 - 7 stone wet ... Ellen Mcarthur 5ft - 7stone wet!!! You catch my drift!! You don't see Vannessa phelps going round aintree in April do you!! You complete mug!!

ps 20st Lawrence Dallagio came 6th - that is real driving!!

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posted Sep 8, 2009

couple of things.

firstly, im a guy, and the only football teams i support are womens teams, and my club Turbine Potsdam beat a mens team 6-1, so those who think the men would win easily are quite mistaken!
secondly, im english, but i support Norway, always have done always will, and im gutted we lost our semi-final yesterday. but now to hope my club's players in the germany team can help beat england!

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posted Sep 8, 2009

OH MY G0D!! YOU ARE REALLY SCRAPING THE BARRELL! Of course - yachting is a sport available to the masses - especially all the kids on council estates! Muppet!!

TOP GEAR CAR!! Are you for real, using this as an example!! Lets see the top 3 - Simon 5ft1 cowell - 8stone wet, JK - 4ft 9 - 7 stone wet ... Ellen Mcarthur 5ft - 7stone wet!!! You catch my drift!! You don't see Vannessa phelps going round aintree in April do you!! You complete mug!!

ps 20st Lawrence Dallagio came 6th - that is real driving!!
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Erm, what difference does it make that yachting is more of an upper class sport? What does that have to do with anything we are discussing on here? Explain please!.
The point was she beats men, which is exactly what this discussion has turned into.

And the Top Gear thing was just making a point of her beating men!.
I am trying to say that women can occasioanlly beat men.
Also, what is your point on the weight thing?. So she beat 2 guys who are similar weight - does that not prove my point?.

Abd there is also no need to shout or try to insult me. Just nicely explain what your input to this debate ectually is, because I fail to see it in your "comments".

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posted Sep 8, 2009

True Toffee ...Ok - well the saying that comes to mind
'The exception proves the rule'

Look, far from me to knock old Dame Mcarther, what she did was exceptional.

My point is (sorry for shouting) - your choice of examples was unfortunate.. Of course highly talented women can beat average men - but like for like there is no competition (Formula 1 racing drivers surely would be a better litmus test than Top Gear!!)

The point in question is that womens football is far inferior to that of even very low level semi professional mens football. Tennis and say gymnastics and athletics (and there are others I'm sure - list is not exclusive) is not and therefore deserve the media attention they get.

I said the media attention the womens team got was about right. Don;t agree that it deserves less or more. Maybe in 10 years time when this influx of young girls playing has had an effect this may change, though at this moment in time no.

PS to make you laugh - I coached an American girls team (u 16) in USA for 3 months in 1999... so not a biggot and really encourage the game to girls - stat of the day - biggest sport for under 12's in USA (As you include girls and boys in this!!)

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posted Sep 9, 2009

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True Toffee ...Ok - well the saying that comes to mind
'The exception proves the rule'

Look, far from me to knock old Dame Mcarther, what she did was exceptional.

My point is (sorry for shouting) - your choice of examples was unfortunate.. Of course highly talented women can beat average men - but like for like there is no competition (Formula 1 racing drivers surely would be a better litmus test than Top Gear!!)

The point in question is that womens football is far inferior to that of even very low level semi professional mens football. Tennis and say gymnastics and athletics (and there are others I'm sure - list is not exclusive) is not and therefore deserve the media attention they get.

I said the media attention the womens team got was about right. Don;t agree that it deserves less or more. Maybe in 10 years time when this influx of young girls playing has had an effect this may change, though at this moment in time no.

PS to make you laugh - I coached an American girls team (u 16) in USA for 3 months in 1999... so not a biggot and really encourage the game to girls - stat of the day - biggest sport for under 12's in USA (As you include girls and boys in this!!)
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Thanks for the reply! Yeah of course I got your point on the Top Gear thing, I think I just got carried away with the people on here almost saying women cannot win anything.
I am no championer of women's rights, but some of the comments on here were ludicrous!.

Womens football is of course of a much lower standard currently to the men and I would say on a par with probably conference football.
The coverage it gets is about right but I do agree it should have been on the main page for them reaching the finals as it should be if they win it. Because it is of National importance and also remember this is football - our National sport, whether it's women or men, boys or girls, proffessional or amateur, we should be told when we beat the rest! smiley

Agree on tennis and gymnastics. In athletics men still have the advantage but the women are still good to watch, Isinbayeva being my fave (last Worlds aside, although she did break the World record at her next event).

On your last point - don't get me started!!! I fear that the USA will take over the World of football (never "soccer") in about 10 years time because I know it is getting much bigger over there. Plus some of my mates went over their to go to "soccer schools", which is crazy when you think about it.

Anyway - hope they win it against the Germans. Perfect final, really, and I bet more people will be interested now! winkeye

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posted Sep 9, 2009

hahahaha the comments from the "simple" men, have no idea im afraid.

Why compare womens football to mens? Whats the point we all know men are more physically strong, been playing for years blah blah....

Get over it, accept womens football for what it is, enjoy it and especcially enjoy the success of your NATIONAL side!!!

One more thing how much do men get paid again for playing football?? And how much do women get paid?? course they are going to be better, think about it before putting stupid comments on here that make you look thick!

Good luck girls in the final!!!! smiley

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posted Sep 9, 2009

Thanks for reply ..Agree some of the comments were ludicrous, though think a few were just WUM... Also, suppose you have to think about footballs social and cultural status and its status often reffered to as the last bastion of the working class man.. Therefore with the mass changes to football (Sky/Prem league/all seater/razamataz etc) then womens football, perhaps its slightly too much to take for some .. which whilst I do not agree, I can understand why they feel that way.

As for USA ... I thimnk they will improve, though at the time I was there the 'soccer' season was only 2-3 months long!!! (Imagine that!) Also, alongside their heritage, American football, baseball and basketball and perhps ice hockey usually have the pick of all the top young atheletes, therefore apart from the die hards, its almost a second string of sportsman who take up 'soccer' seriously .. Though not for the girls, hence why they are always the ones to beat in world womens football!!

Can't believe you know people who went to USA to actually attend soccer camps .... I hope you have suitably dishoned them as friends and reported them to the FA!!

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posted Sep 9, 2009

clear harri8 - it was not about women being as good as men .. this is the same in all sports.. it was about the standard. English Womens football has improved beyond recognition over the last 5-7 years, therefore highlighting how poor it was.. It still has somewhere to go to come up to mens standard (and I mean that comparably - not meaning to compete with men) ... Therefore my point is that womens football barely got any coverage years ago (rightfully in my mind), now it is getting much more (again rightfully ), however, until it reaches a comparable level with mens standard, I see no need fro any more coverage than there is at the moment..


PS there are some really skillful and great womens players - but can someone tell me why the keepers are always rubbish and get lobbed from 46 yards!!!!!! winkeye

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posted Sep 10, 2009

"You are deluded to the extreme if you think women's football is gaining popularity. If it was popular it would be on Sky sports, not Eurosport. It was on Eurosport 4 years ago, and nothing has changed. Women's football is a joke."


...the same Sky that will have it that Rugby League and Speedway are worthy of coverage to any extent. Poor point, this is a Major Title in its field, unlike an awful lot of the sludge dished out by BSB.

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