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by Koos the Hammer (U1047244) 25 August 2009
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I am ashamed to be a West Ham fan today, and look on the events at the Boelyn Ground tonight, with despair and anger. However, is it possible to be both stunned and yet not surprised at the same time?

I have seen a number of threads already, some by WUM's, others by concerned fans, that have suggested large fines (will happen), competition bans (may happen), and massive punitive measures, such as instant relegation to non-league football (not likely).

The stewards did a magnificent job, under extreme circumstances, and under extreme provocation. They attempted to control the idiots, to the best of their ability, but are sadly unable to physically eject people from the ground.

It looks to me like the game was, surprisingly, under policed, and the Met seriously dropped the ball on this one. Unfortunately it begs the question, should games like these be played behind closed doors?

Even if it is a fraction of 1% of people (and I refuse to use the word fans), that cause a problem, they have unfortunately tainted the name of the club that I have supported for over 30 years.

Anyone who invaded the pitch should have been arrested, and banned from West Ham for life. Rioters outside the stadium should be arrested with extreme prejudice (riot police with batons, dogs, horses and tear gas). These people should go to jail, and be banned from all football for life. Obviously, there should be several charges of Attempted Murder as well.

It is sad to say that I whole-heartedly believe the game should not have been played with a crowd present. It inconveniences the honest fan, not being able to watch their team play, but that would be better than the shame we face now.

Lastly, my condolences and thoughts are with Jack tonight, for the tragic loss of his father at the weekend. It shows the huge character and commitment to the club, that he decided to play tonight.

Koos the Hammer.

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posted Aug 26, 2009

It was more than a few waving hands read my earlier thread aboout the unmentionable article

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comment by telkat (U3554661)

posted Aug 26, 2009

Firstly, the clubs should both be fined heavily for the 'fans' behaviour and West Sham and Millwall both barred from next seasons competition. Secondly, the police, as I'm sure they intend to, need to identify and prosecute each and every one of these thugs. Another measure needed is that of greater riot prevention measures introduced by the so-called government. On the continent they'd think nothing of getting out the tear gas and water cannon and dealing with animals like these rapidly and with maximum effect. That's what's needed here. The sick thing is that we tolerate filth like this in our society. There will be some people who read these comments who know of a thug involved last night and will do nothing about it. Or they'll laugh about it down the pub with their mates. It's high time we as decent citizens of this proud country took a meaningful stand against the sub human classes that vandalize, terrorize, threaten, bully and use violence for nothing more than entertainment. Really, what happened at Upton Park last night had not much to do with football, rather than what's wrong with Britain today.

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comment by sdownes (U2041864)

posted Aug 26, 2009

Should blame media and government.

The media love this and fuel it at every opportunity. The real blame falls on the media who try to scam all football fans out of every penny possible.

The government has never really sought to educate just wished to gain millions off tax on football.

Dont blam the supporters blame the media ie SKY and the government..

Dont go and watch it. Its overpriced rubbish.

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posted Aug 26, 2009

If FIFA takes this seriously, it will seriously
damage England's bid to host the world cup.
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Agree!!

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posted Aug 26, 2009

Remove the clubs from this season's competition. If the violence occurs at a league game, dock the team points.

A few years ago, Burnley fans went on the rampage in their own town, trashing my car and destroying my property. No action was taken. For sure, any fans found liable were banned etc. But otherwise the club did nothing that I could tell.

If the clubs face serious consequences of fan-related violence then it is in their interests to be pro-active about preventing it.

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posted Aug 26, 2009

comment by Balfour Webnet Darlington Arena (U10534322)

If the clubs face serious consequences of fan-related violence then it is in their interests to be pro-active about preventing it.

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What difference do you think any punishment is going to make? Do you serioulsy think either club could ever prevent violence happening? The answer is no.

Nothing, apart from not allowing these two clubs to play again, will ever stop the violence, I can absolutely assure you of that.

You cannot stop people who want to fight. If West Ham play Millwall, there will always be trouble. Will the FA ever ban the two clubs playing each other? Unlikely.

I can tell you that quite a few of those involved last night were already on banning orders and the like.

You could have West Ham play Millwall on some remote Scottish island and there would still be trouble, probably up west.

Get real and be realistic people.

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posted Aug 26, 2009

Totally agree with you Koos. The only issue I have is that I would not refer to these individuals as people.

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posted Aug 26, 2009

I live in Canada, where I moved in '86. When I heard West Ham were playing Millwall in an evening cup tie, I could esaily imagine trouble.
Were the police prepared?
Was the club prepared?
Did Millwall get enough tickets for their fans to keep the hard-core from roaming around the streets?
At this sort of tie, a huge police presence is still required. Stewards will just not do. And the away fans have to have enough tickets to get them inside the ground.
It's an exceptional fixture.

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posted Aug 26, 2009

And the away fans have to have enough tickets to get them inside the ground.
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There was that much trouble with a 1,000 or so away supporters. Are you seriuosly suggesting that the more away supporters there are the less trouble there would have been?

<doh>

Stop blaming everyone but the people who wanted to have a fight.

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posted Aug 26, 2009

this will be great for persuading players like Upson and Green not to leave if a bigger club comes sniffing. I hope those individuals are proud of themselves.

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