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The Freddie Factor

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by whereisshenmue3 (U14111490) 23 August 2009
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What kind of impact did Flintoff have on the England performance? Admittedly his contribution other than the run out was not much but with him in the team they just seem to have more belief.

I detest all the Flintoff detractors who seem determined to mark him as an average player. He has been awesome and but for injuries and being thrown in far too early would have a far better record. At his peak he was the best player in the world. As it stands his record isn't to shabby around 30 with bat and ball is none to shabby. Perhaps he is too working class.....

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posted Aug 25, 2009

aforeigner, I don't think yu could be more wrong quite frankly. Capatin Strauss and Director of cricket Flower are relatively new to their jobs and see this as the start of something. A progression that could hopefully take us up the world rankings if we continue to work hard. I don't see any Hello! or Ok! spreads and I certainly don't see a 5-0 whitewash come the next Ashes. Yes it happened last time but don't you think we might have learned from out mistakes.
You're talking complete rubbish in my opinion.

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posted Aug 25, 2009

Wide range of views as usual but at end of the day Freddie lifted the crowd and gave a bit of pep to a bowling attack when we needed someone to change it up, be a bit aggressive etc.

My concern would be will he really be able to cut it for us in ODI or 20/20 games. To do the job you have to bowl well and bat well - the bowling will surely add pressure to his knees and you don't just turn up - hours of practice in the nets - if he can't play Tests then can he really play any other form of cricket to the required standard to make the difference that he has in the past?

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posted Aug 25, 2009

It is true Flintoff's stats don't show him to be 'great'. But Flintoff was a player who will be remmebered as being capable of producing great moments at crucial times of matches. For that reason he will live in the memory as a legend - because he will have a legacy in peiople's imaginations. Therefore he is a legend IMO.

Also, ask pro cricketers how good Flintoff is and they will tell you, everyone, that he was fantastic. Just google Justin langers comments re. Flintoff when facing him on the field, or Brett Lee, etc. etc.

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posted Aug 25, 2009

"It seems almost beyond belief that Pietersen was not long ago CAPTAIN OF ENGLAND.

Thank God he wasn't leading England during the Ahes and thank God he'll never captain England again."

You sir/madam need to examine the reasons why you and your ilk continually criticise Pietersen despite his outstanding performance and ruthless attitude to winning sadly lacking in many other England team members.
He may be "too attacking" at times but many of the current batting lineup are too defensive by international standards. Cricket has moved on since Chris Tavare and Geoff Boycott and you need to get used to it.
We don't like confident people in England especially when they are "foreigners" and I think this is the root of much unfair criticism of Pietersen.
Pietersen AND Trott should be a feature of the England team for a while.
Strauss has shown he thoroughly deserves the captaincy but I personally found the prospect of a Pieterson led England against the Aussies pretty mouthwatering.
For too long the Aussies have shown us that mental strength and a desire to win is as important as ability and we ignored this. Pietersen has both qualities, if coupled with occasional arrogance and would have been a different but I think equally as good captain as Strauss.

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posted Aug 25, 2009

I think the guys at Sky put it best yesterday when I was watching 'How the Ashes were won' or something similar. They said yes his averages don't look that great and he had times where he could flitter in and out of a match. However when he was on a hot spell he could win you a match. Not only through his own bowling but through lifting the other bowlers and also unnerving the batsmen. Unnerving them to the point that they were made to think about every ball they were facing and be 100% focused. Yes his averages aren't great but when he was firing with the ball he could be unplayable and swing a session England's way. And with the bat he had the ability (although he didn't show it as often as he should have) of putting on some quick-fire runs and gradually deflating the fielding side.

No he won't and probably shouldn't go down as one of the all-time greats to play the game but my god when he was firing the last place any player wanted to be was facing him.

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posted Aug 25, 2009

Swann is the newest kid on this block; he has replaced Giles as the most mediocre spinner to be labelled 'great'!

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I would never say he's the best off-spinner I've ever seen but he's not mediocre; he is at least highly competent and has more variation and subtlety than I've ever seen from, say, Hauritz or Panesar. True, the Australian batting made some silly mistakes against the spin but he did bowl some fine overs, most notably the one where he completely duped Ponting and bowled him.

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posted Aug 25, 2009

In Oct 2008, India thrashed a much stronger Aussie side at the heights of its arrogance 2-0

Then, rabid and impoverished Pakistan fans dismissed as a home side win - then India went on to beat Australia 2-0 in the CB series and then in NZ both the Tests and ODI - even then India as dismissed as a non-winner

Now, all of a sudden, a 2-1 win by England is hailed as wrold best - england lost the first test and rain saved them - else it would have been 2-2

how come england's home win of 2-1 better than India's home win of 2-0 against a stronger side - whst a shame - we live in this world of rabid Pakistan fans

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posted Aug 25, 2009

I think Collingwood Flintoff Pieterson nearly lost the ashes for England by putting the IPL first and England second. They should have take a leaf out of Broads book and said no its an ashes year I wants to play for England. for Pieterson and Flintoff to go to the IPL unfit and return in a worse state unsettled the England team They should have been left out from the start.
With Collingwoods performance and his reluctance to play for his county makes me think why is he in the team anyway.
Bopara is a far better batsman at 3 or 4 than Collingwood is at 6.

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posted Aug 26, 2009

Unfortunately we live in times of mediocre cricket! A truly brilliant Australian team has disbanded over the last few years, leaving Ponting standing alone. India will soon follow with their aging team and very little up and coming talent. English fans pour adoration upon Freddie as he is one of a handful of players with any real talent (not greatness) who has represented England since Beefy (Gower, Gooch, Atherton, Vaughan, Pietersen). We really have had very little else to cheer for! As for judging him as a great... time will only tell... I am sure Botham did not automatically become England's greatest all-rounder following his escapades in 1981. In fact, it was probably Freddie's achievements in 2005 which highlighted how good Beefy had been 24 years earlier... maybe we won't truly appreciate Fred until England's next Talisman takes up the mantle.... let's hope it's not another 25 years!

I hate to say it... but the Saffers are going to be the team to beat over the next few years... they are having their purple patch of "great" players... first rugby, now cricket, they'll probably win the World Cup as well next year :-D

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