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Sea The Stars

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by stick (U9589972) 18 August 2009
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I'm in love with a young colt!!!!

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posted Aug 19, 2009

Sea Bird II was an out and out stayer, he only
got into the Arc at the final furlong!
10 furlongs would be too short for him,
Brigadier Gerard, imo, would start favourite,
and even though I backed him in the Derby
Royal Palace shouldn't be in the field!

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posted Aug 19, 2009

Why should Royal Palace not be in the field ?

Have you ever seen the Greatest Eclipse Stakes ever run ?

1968....check it out !!

Also Sea Bird won races from 1 mile upwards and had the best turn of foot ever seen,and would have been sent on inside the final furlong dependant on whichever distance he was racing over !!

smiley

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posted Aug 19, 2009

Fascinating. Nashwan as short as 8s and no mention of Mtoto (some people's idea of the best ever over 10f) or Pebbles. Elsewhere, it's been suggested that DB would be favourite at odds against, with SB only slightly longer, Mtoto at 10s, with Nashwan at 16s. BG and MR fitting in temptingly at higher single figures.

I'm not at all sure about Royal Palace's presence. As for the greatest Eclipse ever, in terms of the race itself, I contend that 1987's challenges the 1975 KG for the epithet 'Race of the Century'.

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comment by NJS -- (U14083218)

posted Aug 19, 2009

the greatest horse to look through the bridle
in Europe was Brigadier Gerard, followed by
Ribot and Sea Bird II.

In America, Man O'war and Secretariat!

In Arkle's list only one horse beat another
great in that list Brigadier Gerard beat
Mill Reef.
Nijinsky didn't beat Mill Reef and vice versa
Sea bird didn't beat Ribot and vice versa
Royal Palace did beat Sir Ivor in the Eclipse
that race couldn't be taken at face value.
Sir Ivor had run a lot of hard races and
Royal Palace was a 4yo.

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posted Aug 19, 2009

NJS...your opinion that may be...however...the vast majority would place Sea Bird II and Ribot above Brigadier Gerard,who was beaten fair and square by Roberto,and would certainly never have beaten Mill Reef over one mile and a half,their meeting being deprived,because of the career-ending injury suffered by Mill Reef !!

Sea Bird II won the 1965 Arc,which is still described as the greatest Arc field ever assembled,and he murdered them !!

Many GREAT French horses came before,and since,and they are all measured against him...as he was indeed the greatest of them all !!

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comment by NJS -- (U14083218)

posted Aug 19, 2009

Arkle: Sea Bird II and Ribot could never have
beaten The Brigadier over a mile!

Brigadier Gerard could never have beaten those
two over mile and a half!

Ten furlongs, imo, The Brigadier would have
beaten them on good ground!

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posted Oct 24, 2009

It is great for the sport of Horse Racing that after two decades we have an outstanding 140 +middle-distance champion ranked with the Sea Bird's and Ribots.To win the 2000 Guineas,Derby,Eclipse and Arc he has statistically overshadowed every great racehorse.However I still do not rate him better than Sea Bird ,Ribot or Mill Reef.

Every champion had his merit.Overall to me still in terms of raw ability Sea Bird 11 was the greatest .No horse has demolished such a strong field ever as Sea Bird did in the 1965 Arc with such contemptuous ease.For versatality Ribot and Mill Reef would be the greatest as they were outstanding on any going.Nijinsk'ys big race winning combination of wining the triple Crown in addition to the King George and Irish Derby was statistically the best.But for an attck of ringworm surely he would have added the Arc!Over a mile Brigadier Gerard was the greatest ever and was also a champion upto a mile and a half.For pure acceleration and ability to come off the pace Dancing Brave was the best as he showed in the 1986 Arc-against great oposition.

Overall Sea The Stars has a great statistical combination in terms of big races won but has not proved himself on soft going,like Mill Reef or Ribot.If the criteria is the oposition faced and the authority with which the oposition was demolished then Sea Bird would rate marginally superior.Sea The Stars also did not participate in the King George or Irish Derby ,or the St.Leger and has hus not statistically surpassed Nijinsky.To me overall Mill Reef was the most complete of champion racehorses.

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posted Oct 24, 2009

I complement your inclusion of Sir Ivor who posessed a devastating turn of foot that may have outpaced the likes of Mill Reef and Nijinsky over 10 Furlongs He displayed this in the 1968 2000 Guineas and Epsom Derby.Never a true stayer as he displayed in the Irish Derby and Arc,being bred for a mile and a half.

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posted Oct 25, 2009

so,in your opinion, sea the stars is a poorer horse because he never ran in the irish derby or king george. How does that work?

It could be argued that because Ribot and Mill Reef won on their unfavoured going that the opposition they faced was devoid of any top class.

I reckon your, yet again, one of the old folk who won't let anything compare to the horses of yesteryear and no matter what Sea The Stars achieved or any hose in future achieves you will always find some fault in his victories and form.

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posted Oct 30, 2009

In my view Dubai Milleniums victory i. he 2000 Dubai World Cup was the best 10 furlong performance ever folllowed closely by Mill Ref,Dancing Brace and Sea The Stars performance in the Eclipse Stakes.Over a distance of 10 Furlongs this is my rating.

1.Dubai Millenium
2.Sea The Stars
3.Mill Reef
4.Dancing Brave
5.Sea Bird
6.Sir Ivor
7.Ribot
8.Nijinsky
9.Brigadier Gerard
10.Nashwan
11.Vaguely Noble
12.El Gran Senor

Over a mile and a half overall this is my rating
1.Sea Bird
2.Mill Reef
3.Ribot
4.Sea The Stars
5.Nijinsky
6.Dancing Brave
7.Nijinsky
8.Vaguely Noble
9.Shergar
10 Peintre Celebre

Considering all distances,types of ground my rating would be
1.Mill Reef
2.Ribot
3.Sea Bird
4.Brigadier Gerard
5.Sea The Stars
6.Nijinsky
7.Dancing Brave
8.Vaguely Noble
9.Shergar
10.Peintre Celebre

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