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Date:
8 August 2009
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Competition:
The Ashes
Star of the show:
Ravi Bopara
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It seems open hunting season on Ravi. No so long ago he joined a select company of batsmen who managed to score three consecutive centuries, that he was now the best number 3 bat. Following some really shocking umpiring decisions, the last being caught off a no ball, he is now no good at test level.I note that the same pundits now say the the bowling he faced scoring these tons was mediocre. If so how come other 'star' members of the side were unable to come anywhere close to his achievement? I see that there is no clamour to sack 'KP' or 'Freddie'. When was the last time that they had a decent set of scores? One does not become no good over night. Mr Boycott was reported as saying the this current test wicket was good for 6oo runs, really. Is no credit given to the quality of the Aussi bowlers?
Is it not about time that the media in this country start to support our national team? This happens in other countries no matter how bad the results

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posted Aug 23, 2009

So how many more innings of abject failure did you want to see him put in?

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posted Aug 23, 2009

He was on a bad run of form over the Ashes. The Aussies said before the series started that they would target him and they were true to their word. He is an excellent player and hopefully he will come back from this a better player. Perhaps he was a little unlucky to be dropped as there were other batsmen who were also struggling for form (Collingwood for one), but he needed to be dropped after the amount of runs he had scored.

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posted Aug 23, 2009

Bopara will always be the bridesmaid hereon.

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posted Aug 23, 2009

Like young Stuart Broad,( who most pundits were calling to be dropped from the England squad at Headingley) , young Ravi Bopara is the future of England Cricket. He should have been given a chance to score that elusive big 100 at the Oval this week and help us win back the little urn. Ravi has just recently scored 3 rare consecutive Test 100's against the West Indies, to help us win the home series . The same set of West Indian bowlers (Fidel Edwards, Jerome Taylor ) humiliated Ian Bell in the West Indies in Feb this year, resulting in Bell being dropped. Bopara was ask to come to the rescue while in New Zealand playing for the Lions, and flew to the West Indies and he showed his gratefulness by immediately scoring a big 100. It is without question, young Ravi is player of international quality. He would have proven his doubters wrong if we kept faith in his abilities and allowed him to complete the series. The invaluable experience at the School of Hardknocks represented by the Ashes is a worthwhile investment for the future of England cricket. He is not the type of person to lose confidence. He is just going through a bad spell like any cricketer. Class is permanent, form is temporary. Bopara is a fighter and has already bounced back after being dropped by just scoring a double century to help Essex win the county test cricket vs Surrey yesterday.He was the scapegoat. Why was young Ravi, in his very first Ashes, treated differently from the more experienced Bell/Colly,( playing their third Ashes and still on the lucrative central contract) both also playing poorly and have not showed their gratefulness to the selectors by producing the test 100's required during the Ashes series . We hope to see him back soon, playing test cricket in South Africa this winter. Congratulations to Jonathan trott for scoring his debut 100. Together with Broad and Bopara, they are the future of England cricket.

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posted Aug 23, 2009

Young Ravi is the scapegoat. We keep on harping that he scored an average of 15 in 7 innings, but forget to mention that Bell, Colly and Cook scored an average of 21, 24, 25 during this Ashes series. Bearing in mind that this is already Bell's and Colly's third Ashes series , we expect them to perform the 100's that were required in the light that they are more expereinced and have been centrally contracted lucratively the past 4 years. It would have been nice we showed more faith in Ravi, this Ashes series being his very first. Afterall, he was the youngest England batsman in this series. Australia should be congratulated with keeping faith with Mike Hussey inspite of his double ducks. Today, Hussey seem to have rediscover his form, and he may yet score his 100 to help the Aussies. Just heard Matthew Hayden said that the Aussie's policy is ( that once the selectors have identified their team, ) not to drop players when they are going through a bad spell, but to allow them to go through the difficult situations, and in the process rediscover their form and learn from the experience.

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posted Aug 23, 2009

Trott did not play Ravi he batted at 5.
I think Stuass mishandled the team all series.
They do not to me seem to like essex. If it had been ravi for Collingwood England would have played better. Why is Cook not in the 1 day side instead of Collingwood.
Dont worry You will be back.

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posted Aug 24, 2009

He's undoubtedly a quality player, and has a huge future ahead of him for England. He was stuggling this series, he had a couple of poor decisions but the form wasn't there, however he'll certainly improve as a result. Bit harsh that he seems to have been forgotten, even Flower praised "the 14 that took part" (Onions, Pietersen, Monty) even though he didn't play well he played in 4 of the 5 Tests. Monty only played once!

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posted Aug 24, 2009

comment by dumbpanic (U14098182)
posted 21 Hours Ago

Young Ravi is the scapegoat. We keep on harping that he scored an average of 15 in 7 innings, but forget to mention that Bell, Colly and Cook scored an average of 21, 24, 25 during this Ashes series.

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It might seem picky but your numbers are wrong.
Bell had an average of 28.00, Collingwood 27.78 and Cook 24.67 in this ashes series.

Nonetheless, these are not good enough, but both Bell and Collingwood produced vital contributions at vital times. Bopara did not. He wasn't a scapegoat, he was just not good enough. There were only three worse batsmen in the series than Bopara, Clark, Onions and Panesar. I don't think anyone can justify keeping him in, particularly when his replacement at 3 Bell scored 76 runs in the test. That's more than double what Bopara would have got if his average continued.
I don't even need to mention Trott.

I do think it's harsh that Ravi was left out of the victory celebrations, and that neither Strauss or Flower mentioned him in the interviews (the ones I heard anyway). It makes me wonder if Bopara threw a hissy fit at getting dropped.

There's no doubt he's a decent batsman when the bowlers aren't top class, but he does look a little too fragile an not patient enough when they are of test standard. Unfortunately, the only time to prove you have improved is at test level, and I don't see him coming back in a hurry, particularly if he did hav a hissy fit, and especially if Trott keeps playing well.

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posted Aug 24, 2009

comment by 355gts (U4324385)

posted 30 Minutes Ago

comment by dumbpanic (U14098182)
posted 21 Hours Ago

Young Ravi is the scapegoat. We keep on harping that he scored an average of 15 in 7 innings, but forget to mention that Bell, Colly and Cook scored an average of 21, 24, 25 during this Ashes series.

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It might seem picky but your numbers are wrong.
Bell had an average of 28.00, Collingwood 27.78 and Cook 24.67 in this ashes series.

Nonetheless, these are not good enough, but both Bell and Collingwood produced vital contributions at vital times. Bopara did not. He wasn't a scapegoat, he was just not good enough. There were only three worse batsmen in the series than Bopara, Clark, Onions and Panesar. I don't think anyone can justify keeping him in, particularly when his replacement at 3 Bell scored 76 runs in the test. That's more than double what Bopara would have got if his average continued.
I don't even need to mention Trott.

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Bell played one important innings but failed on the rest of opportunities presented. While Collingwood had a good test match in Cardiff he's been terrible since. While Cook has been disapointing even in some of his few better knocks. I'll forgive Bell because I feel as much if not more ability than anyone else in the side and Cook because he's still a key player for England I have long run out of patience with Collingwood who as a scenior England player is out of form considerably more than he's in form and has bought himself stay after stay of excecution in the team. Bell and definately Bopara probably are not no.3 bats men at test level in my opinion, indeed if you look at Bell's record batting at 6 it's of stark contrast to his record at 3. They have dispite being younger players put themselves in the firing line, something Collingwood dispite being such a scenior member of the side has never done... I agree with and am probably eching a lot of the critisims of Shane Warne in that while Collingwood might be a bit less fragile confidence wise than Bell he's guilty of hiding when he's really neeeded.

If I had things my way England would drop Collingwood and line up similar to this...

Strauss(c), Cook, Pietersen, Trott, Bell/Bopara, Prior(w), Broad, Swann, Rashid/Mahmood, Anderson, Onions

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posted Aug 26, 2009

In the first two tests, as well as batting poorly, Bopara behaved like a primadonna.

He behaved better in the next tests but was still VERY out of form. So he was dropped.

The KP analogy is misleading - he;s never had such a bad trot. Flintoff is a separate case -he's an all-rounder.

As for the 3 hundreds against WI. Big deal - they only had one bowler.

Until he does it against the best (which he may well do - he's very talented), he needs to concentrate on his batting rather than his posing.

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