posted Jul 16, 2009

So...first 3 guys over the line per team each day, their GC times added up? Is that it?

I've been keeping track since the beginning(don't ask) and it was Astana after Stages 1-7, AG2R after 8-11 and after today it will be Saxo.

I just couldn't figure out where the total figure for the team came from because on the one day I tried to calculate it (the day AG2R took it over) I couldn't make it work. But if it's the time taken of the first 3 crossing the line each day, it makes more sense as you'd be taking the time from different riders each day to calculate. it.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Right, here's a simple example.

Stage 1:

Team A
Rider 1: 0:00
Rider 2: 0:00
Rider 3: 0:00
Rider 4: 0:00
Rider 5: 0:00

Team B:
Rider 1: 1:00
Rider 2: 1:00
Rider 3: 1:00
Rider 4: 1:00
Rider 5: 20:00

What we have here is a flat stage where Team A finished all their guys in the peleton, but Team B had a mare and all finished 1 minute behind and rider 5 even worse finishing 20 minutes behind.

Team standings after stage 1:

Team A: 0:00
Team B: 3:00

(culmulative team of first three guys)

(Stage 2 in a second)

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posted Jul 16, 2009

the stage times of the first 3 riders of that team not their GC times.

That's why in the team GC they always have a FASTER time than their first 3 riders in the GC added up. Because there are always stages in which another teammate does better than any of them.

This year the team GC will be about another team winning time on them by attacking during non mountian stages, because in those Astana will win time.

Today Saxo won 6' (or whatever Sorenson was ahead of the pack) on them.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Now on stage 2, the guy who finished 20 minutes behind thought 'What the hell' and decided to go on a crazy lone break and it succeeded! He finished 10 minutes ahead at the finish. Everyone else finished in the peleton.

Team A:
Rider 1: 10:00
Rider 2: 10:00
Rider 3: 10:00
Rider 4: 10:00
Rider 5: 10:00

Team B:
Rider 5: 0:00
Rider 1: 10:00
Rider 2: 10:00
Rider 3: 10:00
Rider 4: 10:00

Team Scores for this stage.
Team A: 30:00
Team B: 20:00

So Team B are actually 7 minutes ahead (10 minutes ahead on this stage, 3 minutes behind on the first) overall on the team. Despite the GC looking like this.

1 Rider 1 (TeamA) 0:00
2 Rider 2 (TeamA) 0:00
3 Rider 3 (TeamA) 0:00
4 Rider 4 (TeamA) 0:00
5 Rider 5 (TeamA) 0:00
6 Rider 1 (TeamB) 1:00
7 Rider 2 (TeamB) 1:00
8 Rider 3 (TeamB) 1:00
9 Rider 4 (TeamB) 1:00
10 Rider 5 (TeamB) 10:00

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posted Jul 16, 2009

If tomorrow Astana's Muravyev wins 10 minutes ahead of a grouped peloton, Astana will win 10 minutes on all teams (despite him being worst Astana rider in the GC). In the mountain stages Atsana will probably own everybody in the team GC, so they're odds on fav to win it.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

DeGuzman

So the 143h 47' 41" total figure for Saxo is obtained from adding the finish times of the top 3 finishers from Saxo on each and every stage.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

I so nearly typed last night. Nick Sorensen at 100/1 is a good shout for tomorrow - but didn't.

I lumped a bit too much on the Open & only had 30p left in my account. Was going to put that on Sorensen but then a voice said William Bonnet at 150/1 will win it - so went 16p on Sorensen & 14p on Bonnet!

Bl00dy annoyed it wasn't more but it's £16 I never had & have covered my Open bets:

For the record - tomorrow: I'm going Sanchez again at 20/1 & one of the Russians as a long E/W shot from a breaakaway - Botcharov or probably Karpets.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

ohright yep get it thanks.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Hold on, just one more thing (bit of Columbo there), surely the winner of the competition isn't the actual winner because the last stage is a sprinters stage, therefore for Columbia it will be Cav, Renshaw and Hincapie persumably therefore thye will probably end up like 3 hours and a bit back.

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posted Jul 17, 2009

@Im_partial
Exactly

By the way Leipheimer has to withdraw because of injuries.

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