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by Mark Orlovac (U1647666) 27 June 2009
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Morning all.

So here we are then - crunch time for the Lions in Pretoria.
Win, and we have the prospect of a mouthwatering decider in Johannesburg next week; lose, and the Lions will suffer their third straight series defeat. It's that simple.

Here's the place for all your banter, predictions, your opinions on team selection as well as tales of where you are watching the action this afternoon.

Get involved and I'll use as many comments as I can in my live text commentary which will start at around 1230 BST

Go on, you know you want to.

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posted Jun 27, 2009

Well both Burger and Botha have been cited. It's on the yellow bar at the top of the bbc sport page.

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posted Jun 27, 2009

Schalke Burger MUST be banned for at least 6 months .He is a disgrace to the sport. He could have blinded the player he gouged. He is disgusting human Being who if I had my way would never play an a game of rugby again!!!!

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posted Jun 27, 2009

I liked Matthew Rees's tackle on burger round the neck ... shame he was penalised for it :(

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posted Jun 27, 2009


One-eyed Clown

South Africa coach Peter de Villiers refused to condemn Burger's actions, insisting that the Lions should have had players off the field as well.

"I don't believe it was a card at all," he said.

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posted Jun 27, 2009

and irish lions please!

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posted Jun 27, 2009

might be a british thing mate we IRISH on the other hand dont.

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posted Jun 28, 2009

Green- Jersey, my myopic friend. I am pleased you enjoyed what was a great test series. But you must agree the refereeing was unusually poor. He allowed high tackles from both sides to go unpunished. Ignored sending Burger off for gouging, he should never had been allowed back on. H e also allowed some serious brutality from the Boks at the breakdown resulting in two Lions requiring surgery after the game. But that is the difference between SH teams and NH, we need to take thuggery to a new level to compete otherwise we will always come off second.
Can't wait for next week and the Lions revenge and more wonderful SH refereeing.

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posted Jun 28, 2009

Yeah, the refereeing most definitely went against the Lions over the two Tests.
Last week Lawrence was shocking, although he we subsequently found out he was acting on agreement with the coaches that the pack going backwards would be penalised. So the Lions have only themselves to blame in that respect.
But other areas have been one-sided against the Lions also.
We've had three very close calls with the video ref over the two Tests, and the Lions lost both, but Fourie's dive was awarded. There was absolutely no way the video ref could definitely say that try was scored, not from the camera angles we saw anyway. It was a shocking call and no surprise he was a SH ref in my view.
And then there was the penalty against O'Gara which could have gone either way which ultimately decided the Test match.
The other issue was crossing. The Lions scored a good try in the first Test but were penalised for crossing but it was an identikit move for the one where Habana scored yesterday, and again there was similar "receiver protection". One-eyed refereeing in both Tests, no doubt.

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posted Jun 28, 2009

Sadly in an era when one decision can be some pivotal the fact that Vickery was picked for the first test may be one of the main reasons for the overall loss. My comment is not about Vickery as he played as well as his opposite number / referee allowed. My comment relates to Rowntree's comments three days prior to the first test when he stated, on being pressed, that the one sure place in the team was Vickery. Was this just the unravelling of fete or was it a reflection of poor decision making on the part of Rowntree or was it that as an Englishman he had a 'subconscious' preference for a fellow countryman.

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