posted Jul 18, 2009

Have you been sniffing glue?

Read what you originally wrote dumb ass

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posted Jul 18, 2009

OK

"What if Lescott wants to talk to Man City? What if he does, then decides he wants to join them? It isn't particularly all with Moyes and the club."

You said:

"He's UNDER CONTRACT, a contract he was happy to sign & has 4 years left to run. Therefore, until EFC decide to accept an offer for him, he has NO RIGHT to speak to anyone."

Which didnt answer the question. What do EFC do if he wants to talk to Man City? Then you added:

"Seeing as we've clearly said he's not for sale - end of. Then it'll take a transfer request from the player to possibly alter that stance."

Right, so if JL hands in a TR, then what do EFC do?

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posted Jul 18, 2009

Try to persuade him his future lies at GP & if that fails - either refuse it, or more likely (given that it's the richest club on the planet that are chasing him) extract every last penny out of them for his signature.

They were prepared to pay upwards of £40M apparently for Terry, who's 29 & has a dodgy back. Lescott's only 26 is an emerging England international & hasn't missed a game through injury in his entire time at EFC. He's also a rare breed, a true left footed CB, who can also play LB.

If I was Moyes I'd want in excess of £25M for him - or forget it, as we don't have to sell, due to his long contract. If they walk away, he stays, which is what we want anyway. Get it?

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posted Jul 18, 2009

As long as Lescott wants to stay at Everton I think there is no price tag in the world that can make Moyes change his mind.

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posted Jul 18, 2009

"As long as Lescott wants to stay at Everton I think there is no price tag in the world that can make Moyes change his mind."

Now this is the answer I was looking for. Not once, Tob, did you mention about Lescott in your answer. Not once. My point from way back was this issue is not just down to Moyes and the board - Lescott has a say, if he wants to. Which is why I asked the question to which you took huge offence to.

Now, with Terry having not declared recently that he is not moving anywhere, is happy at Chelsea, and as long as the club wants him to remain a CFC player, he will be going absolutely nowhere, there goes the rumour-mongers.

With EFC knocking back the offer, it makes Man City still determined. When the player himself categorically mentions about remaining, then there is no issue. no point bidding for a player who in the slightest does not want to leave and makes that crystal clear.

Get it?

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posted Jul 18, 2009

Oh FFS!

As I said to START with - it's obvious HE'S BEEN TAPPED UP!

The player may well attempt to force his will - but his length of contract means that Moyes holds the Ace

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posted Jul 18, 2009

"Oh FFS!"

Blimey, you dont half flip at the slightest lip, dont you!! Instead of looking to your rear end off, be and ...Jeees. Just talking, you know!

"As I said to START with - it's obvious HE'S BEEN TAPPED UP!"

Yep, I know that, you mentioned it earlier and I said any evidence should be collated and sent to the FA. Bleating it out is not going anywhere, is it? Unless you wish tounleash some mass hysteria over something that cant be proven.

"The player may well attempt to force his will - but his length of contract means that Moyes holds the Ace"

Right, all depending on whether JL wants to do or say anything, doesnt it? Going back to my point about how the issue isnt just down to Moyes and the board. What buries it all is Lescott going forward and stating clearly he is not interested in any move, and that's it... done with.

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posted Jul 21, 2009

Well there are 2 examples from last season that show what could happen IF Lescott decides to ask if he can leave. First there's the outcome everyone assumes will happen, he'll go.

1. Berbatove essentially refused to play for Spurs. In a disgraceful lack of gratitude, rather than continue to do his best until SPurs agreed a fee with Man U, or any other club, he sat in the corner and sulked. Now I'm not Lescott's best friend or anything, but he doesn't seem that type of person to me.

2. The outcome people seem to be overlooking. Barry. Barry wanted to go, he agitated for a move in the press and essentialy appeared to talk himself out of Villa by criticising his manager in the press. Well O'Neil and Villa stod firm and said they would not sell for lower than their asking price. Barry showed true professionalism and played on at his best for Villa.

It is that second option that I think is most likely. Lescott's price went up from the £20m Moyes valued him at in May because of Glen Johnson's price. It keeps going up every time Man City up their bid for Terry.

The fact is no matter what some people seem to think finding another English CB (We need to keep as many English players as possible) who is beter is technically impossible. There are only 2, they are both too old AND at title chasing, super rich clubs. Consider also that we are currently without a back up LB lecott leaving would surely lead to us needing 2 back ups? Suddenly £25m - £30m doesn't seem like so much money

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posted Jul 21, 2009

LOL lots of messages on this board about this firstly im an everton fan so maybe a little biased .

If we are to sell JL we would need cover for LB and CB so straight away we have to purchase 2 players unless DM can get another quality versatile player in. Not only that you have to consider Jagielka is also injured until November at the earliest inbetween that time we have alot of games EPL, Carling Cup and Europa League. Rodwell could play his part in CB but moyes would prefer to have an experienced CB who knows the team and its style of play while we wait for Jags to come back.

Its no secret in my eyes that Lescott is our 3rd if not 4th best defender i think most would agree that Jags & Yobo are much better than Lescott within the role they are assigned and given a year or 2 Rodwell will be as good as any defender in the game and WILL BE the future England captain.

I personally think a deal will go through for lescott at the end of this current season similar to the deal of Ronaldo and we will get £25 million plus richards/jo as part of the deal as the timing for this transfer is not good for everton with the injury to Jags, throw into the fact that he is contracted till 2012 allows everton to hold all the aces which i will come to in a moment.

In todays papers it says Lescott will ask moyes to allow him to talk to MC as he feels he has a better chance of getting into the world cup squad, now for me this is utter nonsence surely?

Everton were the club that took the risk on him and made him into a quality player that can get into the england squad and represent his country and will again this season, also as everton have the foundations of a real quality team and have progressed season by season whilst moyes has been in charge.

City havent really improved at all over the last 2 seasons despite the huge sums of money they have spent on transfers, take this season they have signed one midfielder who i personally dont rate at all as any better than a mid table team player, and like 5 strikers.

City last season didnt have too many problems scoring goals so what does hughes do? go out and buy tevez, adebeyour and santa cruz who again i might add as hes utter garbage.

What city lack is a team ethic a solid foundation from the back up and until this is addressed they will linger in 7th 8th place for eternity the best thing for City would be to sack hughes and get someone in who can deliver, then the EPL would really have to worry about being dominated.

Back to lescott, me personally and just in a common sense point of view surely you have a better chance of playing for your country if you are playing regular in a good team and playing well like he does at everton, secondly playing some sort of european football esecially the season before the world cup, if lescott leaves everton he will most certainly damage his chances of playing for england next summer and lets not forget its david moyes that makes these players the players they are, without Moyes' guidance lescott will undoubtably be a lesser player than he currently is, maybe thats what hughes knows and why he is offering such a pittyful amount

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posted Aug 4, 2009

Toblerone Boots (I'd think he'd want cement ones now):

I said here: "What if Lescott wants to talk to Man City? What if he does, then decides he wants to join them? It isn't particularly all with Moyes and the club."

You called me a "...dumb Kopite pleb" in reply.

I replied: "We'll see."

You said: "Seeing as we've clearly said he's not for sale - end of. Then it'll take a transfer request from the player to possibly alter that stance."

I replied: "Exactly! So giving it the large about 'not for sale', Lescott could, if he wanted to, issue a TR - emphasisng my point that this matter isnt totally down to Moyes."

I also said: "Right, so if JL hands in a TR, then what do EFC do?"

You said: "If I was Moyes I'd want in excess of £25M for him - or forget it, as we don't have to sell, due to his long contract. If they walk away, he stays, which is what we want anyway. Get it?"

I said "With EFC knocking back the offer, it makes Man City still determined. When the player himself categorically mentions about remaining, then there is no issue. No point bidding for a player who in the slightest does not want to leave and makes that crystal clear.

Get it? "

You said "The player may well attempt to force his will - but his length of contract means that Moyes holds the Ace"

I said "Right, all depending on whether JL wants to do or say anything, doesnt it? Going back to my point about how the issue isnt just down to Moyes and the board. What buries it all is Lescott going forward and stating clearly he is not interested in any move, and that's it... done with."

The latest 'speculation' - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/8183638.stm - this was exactly my point all along. JL steps forward, says he is staying, MC would end their chase. Because he hadn't, it bolstered their chase all the more.

You scoffed at me when I tried to make this point. This isnt against EFC fans nor yourself - this is to show how you shouldn't dumb down a POV because you don't like it. It can turn round and become reality.

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