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The Greatness of Serena and Venus

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by parov1 (U8492675) 07 May 2009
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I was reading a comment on one of the blogs and someone compared sharapova with Serena Williams, 10 times Grand Slam winner which i felt was aludicrous thing to write. Love or hate her, you cannot deny that Serena is arguably the best female tennis player of all time,FACT.
Venus and Serena are the only players who have played at the very top consistently for 2 decades whilst younger adverseries like Clisters(baby) Hinigs (Reality show participant) Henin (running an academy) etc etc have all left the game. Without Venus and Serena, almost all the names of the women on tour will wither end in VA or VIC (eatern europeans)all playing like robots created in factories.
Even Ivanovic (whose looks more than her tennis is whats made her famous) plays like a robot contrary to how her loving press would want her to be looked upon. She also will retire soon. Now let me list only some of the top players who've been beaten by Serena over 2 decades:

1990's and beyond.

1) Steffi Graff
2) Monica Seles
3) Arancha-Sanchez
4) Conchita Martinez
5) Jennifer Capriati
6) Martina Hingis
7) Chandra Rubin
8) Myskina
8) Kim Clisters
9) Justine Henin
10)Dokic
The Eastern Block
10)Sharapova
11)kutznesova
12)hANTCHUKOVA
13)Dementiava
14) Zvonoreva etc
The Serbs
14)Ivanovic
15)Jankovic
The Chinese
16) Ni La
17) Zheng Jie
The New Brigade
18) Safina
19) Worzniak
etc etc etc etc etc
I ask WHERE ARE THE FIRST TEN NAMES IN THE LIST TODAY? WHERE ARE THEY?
The List span 2 decades, 2 decades and they are still on top, the very top for that matter and in the process they've built carrers in other areas of their lives.
So when you talk about Serena or Venus, remember what they've given to womens tennis over 2 decades whilst younger girls have left the game mostly out of frustration or other interest and also the physical rigours of teh WTA tour. So for Serena nad Venus to still be at the top of their game after all these time, please show some respect NB:To Baston_D Berry, Serena and Venus bothe have a better head to head with Henin,and remeber Henin never won wimbledon for all great player that she was. She is in the same category as Ivan Llendle whilst Serena will be the Borg equivalent.


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posted May 10, 2009

"No matter what Serena does, you will find hatred spewing out of the keyboards of her 606 critics."

Maybe because she's an overweight nasty little piece of work who plays five tournaments a year, whines at every defeat and thinks she has the divine right to the number one ranking. A "sportswoman" she never will be in any sense of the word.

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comment by shivfan (U2435266)

posted May 10, 2009

Excellent, crongtong....
ok
Your vicious diatribe just proves the point that you've so kindly put in quotation marks.
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posted May 10, 2009

Serena isn't the governing body, she doesn't make the rules - she should respect and abide by them. She is only moaning because she has spent the last 5 years abusing the system by just playing when it suits her. If she cannot play a full schedule because she is either too busy with her other ventures, or carrying yet another injury (caused by being overweight) then she should 1) stop saying she is the world number 1 when the rankings clearly state she is not and 2) not bother playing at all.

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posted May 10, 2009

"I suspect Serena is full of it. I can't seriously believe the WTA insists on injured players participating. Anyone know the exact rules?"

The WTA tour has a 448 page rulebook but a quick glance seems to suggest she makes a valid point, if you are a Top 10 (or a 'marquee' player).

Any withdrawal by a Top 10 player is considered a 'late withdrawal' and carries a fine of up to $75000 (depending on ranking and the tournament). Players do get an allowance of 2 withdrawals per tour year but this does not apply to top 10 players!

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posted May 10, 2009

"The WTA tour has a 448 page rulebook but a quick glance seems to suggest she makes a valid point, if you are a Top 10 (or a 'marquee' player).

Any withdrawal by a Top 10 player is considered a 'late withdrawal' and carries a fine of up to $75000 (depending on ranking and the tournament). Players do get an allowance of 2 withdrawals per tour year but this does not apply to top 10 players!
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Picking a silly example just for illustration, are they really going to fine a top 10 player who withdraws because they've broken their leg?!

I'd not be surprised if you have to submit to an examination by a WTA approved doctor to confirm the injury makes you unable to play or poses a threat of a more serious injury, but no provisions for injury whatsoever? I doubt it. I'm not sure that would even be legal.

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posted May 11, 2009

Well, having met WTA Tour officials :D, i am certain that there is a *lot* of truth in what Serena says... i can understand both parties here, to be honest. The WTA (as a business) really does suffer (at Tour events) without the 'marquee' names - tickets simply do not get sold, and stadium are left empty. On the other hand, forcing players that are carrying injuries (and Serena's knee injury is a chronic, injury) is a retrograde step, which could probably exacerbate any injury - and antagonise the players... Sharapova has complained, before now, about the pressure exerted upon her to play tournaments and attend promotional events etc. I guess it comes down to whether you want to treat the players as athletes, or commodities.

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posted May 11, 2009

Thw WTA needs to revise their rules. Players are only human and will get injured. Obviously time away from the game is required for the healing process. smiley

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posted May 11, 2009

I had a look through the rules. Clear as mud they are. However, what I (think) I've been able to figure out is that:

1) Yes, players can be fined for withdrawing through injury, and top 10 players get no exceptions (lower ranked players get 2 exceptions provided they meet certain documentation rules). It reads a little as if you can avoid or reduce fines by turning up at the event for press related activities, but I'm not certain about that.

2) (And this is the crucial one) Although the WTA and everybody else calls these "fines", the truth it appears is not quite the same. Players get *paid* to attend the minimum events to which they have to commit each year, and it seems they get paid *extra* "incentive bonuses" when tournament directors request their attendance at non-commitment events. Top 10 and so-called "marquee" players get paid substantially more than their lower ranked counterparts. These bonuses are tallied up and paid once a year with the fines reducing the amount of the bonus.

If this is at all close to the truth, then to me it seems entirely reasonable. You're being given money just for showing up and playing (and I'm not talking about prize money here). Why should you get to keep that money if you don't uphold your end of the bargain? Whether it's a wilful premeditated decision or forced by something beyond your control, such as injury, is not particularly relevant.

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