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Squad for 1st test

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by Toby (U10002276) 29 April 2009
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Looks like the ECB have finally stood up and made some bold selections. However, I question the wisdome in picking both Bresnan and Onions as they are both debutants - I'd definately play Bresnan as he is a useful number 8/9 and would help compensate for Flintoff's runs (not that FF has been getting many lately) and allow us to play the 5 bowlers we need. Bopara or maybe Collingwood at 3.

Strauss
Cook
Bopara
Pietersen
Collingwood
Prior
Broad
Bresnan
Swann
Anderson
Onions/ Panesar

I'd rather take the 2 spinner option but its unlikely to happen...lets hope Bresnan and Onions carry over their promise from the LVCC to the test arena.

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posted May 1, 2009

Totally agree, Vaughan got many more tests than he should of because it seems being a decent captain meant you didn't have to score any runs.
Bell can't complain about being dropped because he has proved over a long time he is not particularly good.
As for Harmison he's lived far to long off the fact he had a couple of good series.

Maybe Bopara isn't top class maybe he will be, one things for sure Bell has proved he isn't.


The trouble with England, not only in cricket but other sports as well, is we keep players on the often ridiculously spouted assumption that class is permanent. The fact is class will desert every player in the end

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posted May 1, 2009

Rather than giving a promising youngster like Chris Woakes a run out they'll not pick him for the test side till he's at least 24-25 years old.
Promising young talent gets snuffed out in this country because their not picked early enough and get too used to the inferior opposition on the county circuit.
If you don't test yourself against the best week in weekout your standard of play will descend into mediocrity. Then when you finally get the chance the step up in class is just too much for most. The likes of Rashid, Woakes, Denly, Steve Davies etc. need to be picked now so they can grow whithin the international circuit rather than being allowed to descend into county mediocrity.

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comment by Matt H (U10920205)

posted May 2, 2009

But why put them in before they're ready. Look what happened with Foster - put in too early, couldn't cope, got dropped and has only now regained a place.

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posted May 2, 2009

broad got any early chance and took it, havent seen woakes, dont know his pace,swing or his seam movement,looks like he should have got early chance like the indians blood theres.
we picked pattingson from notts on a belter of a wicket for one test,he was doing great for notts,but was he just a good county bowler.
how good is woakes now........................

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posted May 2, 2009

Am I the only one who is sad that Ian Bell has lost his test place? He is class, always has been and class will always come good.

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posted May 2, 2009

I do think that it is wrong to assume class will always come good as if that is right Vaughan should be back in the side though he has not been good enough for six years now. So the present form is important.

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posted May 2, 2009

Present form seems to be who got what in their last innings. Hence the team we now have lined up for the Windies and the even worse prospect of any failures being replaced likewise without the proper kind of preparation we have had in the past.
Class is a way of assessing who is going to last in the long term.
The result of the weather vane selection now in vogue is that we have a team in preparation for facing Australia which is the weakest we have had for years.
But it is the popular voice of the internet, the media and now the selectors to disparage class, to down play experience and to promote anyone you fancy.
We mustn't have a cosy club. How about we change the language? We mustn't have a settled team. We must make them all feel as if they can be dropped at any time.
Is this really the way forward? As Paul Allott said when it was put to him that Harmison would play better after his kick up the backside. Well no actually. Usually you feel pretty awful after being dropped and your play usually suffers. In other words a kick up the backside can seem like a kick in the teeth.
I agree with the sentiments of the original post. There is a kind of balmy notion that ditching Harmison in favour of Bresnan and Onions is somehow daring. It isn't. It is pandering to the media's idea of County players like themselves being as good as class players. They are not.
The class players stand out a mile. Vic Marks wrote on the internet that watching Bell bat was like seeing a gulf between County and International cricket. When his article was published in the Guardian that sentiment had been deleted. Because it doesn't fit with the current vox populi.
However we all have to go down with the England team to prove a point. Unfortunately.
Once Andy Flower has used up all his Essex mates maybe we can get back to selecting an International side.

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posted May 2, 2009

The way Onions troubled Tresco and Langer and on the other end Harmless looking more Harmless I am certain that Onions will do better.

Harmless has bowled one good spell in 3 years and some want him, Vaughan has not done well for 6 years and some people want them.

In that case let u bring back Gower.

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posted May 2, 2009

If a player fails CONSISTENTLY it is better to give it to someone else and Onions has this season looked the second best bowler behind Anderson.

Bopara also should be given a chance and I just see that Bell has got out again for a score between 20 and 30.

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comment by Chris (U13771706)

posted May 2, 2009

bell also made back to back 100's just before that... he will rebuild his confidence and be back. I would have liked bell bak at 3 for this series but now i want to see bopara score big there. Simon jones should be bowling for england. The only guy who consistantly get reverse swing...

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