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Well done to the defence

Premier League Manchester United
by roonaldo87i (U13626749) 17 January 2009
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10 games without conceding a goal and equaling Chelsea's record. We haven't been scoring bags of goals but our defence (mainly Vidic) has looked solid.

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comment by Jason (U13346492)

posted Jan 18, 2009

@andrei_kanchelskis (U13346492)

You pick out a post published a few hours ago, add stupidities.

Why?

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You're half right.
I'm merely adding to the stupidities.

Why?

Is there really any point in trying to hold an intelligent debate on 606? Look around you.

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posted Jan 18, 2009

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comment by memyselfandpie (U3042605)
posted 15 Minutes Ago

"we've been playing at maybe 70%"


The above comment is 100% arbitrary, as you can have absolutely no evidence, proof or justification for it.
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Er, yes I can.

Berbatov is settling in, he will improve and players will learn to play alongside him.

United frequently - nay commonly - improve the longer the season goes on.

Ronaldo hasn't hit full form after his injuries.

Evra, a very important player for united, if only because his replacement is O'Shea, has been unfortunate with a ban and injuries, it would be unusual if that were to continue.

We've had to shoehorn the World title into our burgeoning trophy room and that took it out of us. Done now though.

We've climbed to the top of the league, things are clearly going the way I predict.

The winning mentality is there, the defence is strong despite injuries to Brown, Evra and Rio (that'd be 3/4 then....).

There is nothing in United's recent history to suggest we'll finish the season without scoring bagfulls of goals.

70% is my subjective opinion based on recent seasons and glimpses of the form our current side can attain.

If Barc are on fire then I don't see their C.L. group stage win as such an achievement.

Have they improved at the back recently?? Or is the manager tactically naive at the highest level?


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comment by nibs (U13128545)

posted Jan 18, 2009

comment by memyselfandpie (U3042605)
posted 3 Minutes Ago

"Er, yes I can."


No you can't. I can throw exactly the same argument for any club in the world. I can say it for Real, Inter, Rushden & Diamonds, anybody who hasn't been playing too well. The reason you say this is that you think the players in your squad are better than they really are. You see them time after time not meeting your unrealistic expectations and saying they are not playing to their full potential is the only way to justify it.

Berbatov for instance isn't world class, he hasn't proven much at the top level, he hasn't even taken part in a Euro or a World Cup let alone shine, if he was playing abroad you might not even know him.

The Japan trip and injuries are fair points. Every team has its injuries and you need strength in depth, the truth is that the fringe players who you have to come in Neville Rafael Evans o'Shea Fletcher Scholes Giggs Nani Anderson haven't got enough quality at this level. Scholes for instance the other night was kept out of the game by Miles Addison who I tell you is not a good player at all. And in Moscow he was taken off early being the worst player on the pitch. And the injury thing seems to be going on, with Hargreaves out Ferdinand Brown now Rooney etc.

You can't use last season as an argument, it's just statistics, there's absolutely no logical reason it should be repeated. Besides your form dropped at the end, you were spitting blood against Boro and Blackburn if you recall and Chelsea closed the gap.

How can Barcelona improve and why do they need to, they were thrashing teams 6-1 at the beginning of the season and they're thrashing them 5-0 now. Not bad eh? United on the other hand were taken to penalties by Portsmouth and losing to Zenit in the openers and now beat Bolton and Stoke half-nil late on.

As for the managers it's obvious Ferguson looks quite 'small' since Queiroz who was pulling the strings left and this has also played its part.

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posted Jan 18, 2009

Our defence is why we won the champions league. from the last 16 we only conceded 2 goals in 7 games while only scoring 7. (Benzema and lampard in the final).

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posted Jan 18, 2009

Barca look good but are relatively unproven at the moment. They're running away with a very mediocre spanish league which Madrid have won almost by accident for the last 2 years but have now gone into freefall. They won a fairly easy champions league group, again without anyone to really push them. Beautiful football is fine but how will they react to a tense tight champions league semi final, where one mistake can mean elimination?

United on the other hand are favourites to win a hattrick of premier league titles and beat some good teams, including Barca, to win the champions league. OK so Barca dominated possesion in those games but they had very few chances and United even had the luxury of a missed penalty.

This season United's defence has been supreme. The attack has underperformed but has still taken them to the top of the premiership. And there could well be more to come. I would take them to beat Barca and also think Liverpool would edge them out.

People can keep praising Barca but in Eurpoe they have it all to prove...

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comment by nibs (U13128545)

posted Jan 18, 2009

I've said it before and I'll said it again, based on current performances and squad quality/form United are round about as good as Shaktar Donetsk and Marseille. Or possibly CSKA Moscow and Bordeaux.

Before you react bear in mind that's not bad at all, in fact it's more of a compliment.

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posted Jan 19, 2009

Nikos, are you sure that your post should be on football section of this forum? I think you are watching other sport or it's Ninetendo/PS2 that you are talking about?

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posted Jan 19, 2009

I've said it before and I'll said it again, based on current performances and squad quality/form United are round about as good as Shaktar Donetsk and Marseille. Or possibly CSKA Moscow and Bordeaux.

Before you react bear in mind that's not bad at all, in fact it's more of a compliment.

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and theres me thinking the craig bellamy transfer was the funniest thing i have read today.

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comment by Rob (U7927081)

posted Jan 19, 2009

Nikos...

There are so many things wrong with your post i can't be bothered to list them all...

suffice to say -

you don't think scholes, giggs, and ferguson match up as world class quality.

What a numpty.

The End.

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posted Jan 19, 2009

I, on the other hand, will bother to point out Nikos' lack of knowledge.

"You see (your players) time after time not meeting your unrealistic expectations and saying they are not playing to their full potential is the only way to justify it".

On the contrary, they are fulfilling my expectations. I've outlined why things are going the way they are already. It isn't wishful thinking. And And I'm more than pleased with our current success.

"Berbatov for instance isn't world class... he hasn't even taken part in a Euro or a World Cup let alone shine"

Nicky Butt was great for England in a world cup, didn't make him world class. Major comps are littered with such players. All I'm interested in is can he perform for United.

"the truth is that the fringe players who you have to come in Neville Rafael Evans o'Shea Fletcher Scholes Giggs Nani Anderson haven't got enough quality at this level. Scholes for instance the other night was kept out of the game by Miles Addison who I tell you is not a good player at all. And in Moscow he was taken off early being the worst player on the pitch"

Ho ho ho! Scholes got us through the CL tournament last season. He bestows calm upon his team mates, plays little triangles when necessary, e.g. when he linked up with nervous Brown for the Ronaldo goal. He was also marvellous as a holding midfielder against your beloved Barca and scored a rocket. He's coming off an injury lay off. You don't know much about football do you?

As for the other players you mentioned, they'll be used as and when. Nani almost kept Portugal in the Euros with his sub appearance in their last game, some beautifully weighted crosses into the box. Our deadwood plays for the opposition: Pique, Heinze, Ruud... Our players are there for a reason - they work at the highest level i.e. the Premier League and more importantly for OUR club and OUR WINNING APPROACH to football.

As for Barca: they HAVE to improve their defensive record in Europe. We just about managed with that approach in 99 but there's a reason Fergy changed everything: it doesn't guarantee success in a fair to middling season. Maybe Barca will do it? Only a fool would put money on it.

As for Quieroz, he was identified by Ferguson. That's because Fergy knows exactly what HE wants. Everybody said we'd never live without Brian Kidd, then Maclaren, where are they now....?




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