posted Jan 14, 2009

not may guys have been able to win grand Slams......The amount of GS roger has won,he is only saying how it is,lets face it he should know.

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posted Jan 14, 2009

Did you actually see the interview? I did. Federer did not diss Murray at all. He simply pointed out that there are many guys who can win the AO and Murray is not the only favorite. And if you are going to quote something from Fed...quote it all. After Federer said the "Good for him...and it won't help", he added that he has been the favorite before and not won.

As for the infamous non-incident at Doha. I had friends at the match and Federer DID shake the umpire's hand - he shook it BEFORE he shook Murray's. The TV did not show it. It's just another attempt by the Haters to diss Federer.

There has never been a better sportsman than Federer and the media's attempt to start a controversy between him and Murray is pathetic.

Arrogant? Not in a million years. Confident? Heck Yeah...as he should be. Just like Murray.

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posted Jan 14, 2009

Good for you Otter.

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posted Jan 14, 2009

It would appear that Murray agrees with Roger about bookies: "It doesn't make any difference whether people expect you to win or not," he said. "It doesn't change my mentality. You get used to being expected to win matches when you play at Wimbledon. The pressure that comes with that gets you used to these situations. The older you get, the more matches you play, you realise what the bookies are saying doesn't make any difference once you get on court. You just get on with your job."

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posted Jan 14, 2009

You know another thing I like about Federer is how respectful he is towards Nadal. After his Kooyong match, he was asked who he thought the favorite would be if he took himself out of the mix. He said "Rafa". I'm always amazed at how much Roger admires Rafa's accomplishments and thinks he should get more credit for what he has done. Rafa has never made a final of a HC GS, yet Roger feels Rafa deserves more credit for being the current #1. Sorry haters...that's CLASS.

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posted Jan 14, 2009

I have another gripe about the defense federer fans have. I already said how much the "he's just being honest" thing hacks me off as it does not mean it's impossible it's arrogance.

However, the other thing is, i wouldn't care if federer was arrogant and his fans just liked him for that. I never once bothered defending murray for his bratish attitude. he was bratish, and I liked him for it. it's that fed fans have to maintain that he's a gentleman, that he's classy and above reproach.

it's quite obvious he's a bit of stuck sod when it suits him. and that he's a bad loser. the "yeah but he also said nice things." arguement does not make him a gentleman again.

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posted Jan 15, 2009

"I have another gripe about the defense federer fans have. I already said how much the "he's just being honest" thing hacks me off as it does not mean it's impossible it's arrogance." - NapoleonEinstein
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This is a bit of a strawman, nobody is arguing that honesty precludes arrogance, they are arguing over whether or not Federer is arrogant and until that is proved your point about honesty is meaningless.

So far the proof presented in favour of his alleged arrogance has been pretty nebulous, if not facile and embittered: a comment talking up Nadal and Djokovic's chances in light of the news that he and Murray were joint favourites and, latterly, one where he reflects on a magnificent result misrepresented respectively as him "shrugging off Murray" and reflecting on his own magnificence.

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posted Jan 15, 2009

nobody? erm, read the comments. you'll find plenty of people quoting murray suggesting that as he agrees with fed then it can't be arrogance. you'll find plenty of people saying that it's not arrogance because it's true murray shouldn't be favourite.

I include myself in those who feel he has been honest but I also think he was quite arrogant.

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posted Jan 15, 2009

Your complaint was that people were saying it was impossible for honesty to be arrogant, no-one has said that.

I know you think it was arrogant, what I said is that you, nor any of the others who agree, have actually demostrated it. Both instances that have been quoted on this thread have had to be wildly misconstrued to try and make the point.

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posted Jan 15, 2009

if the thread title is "fed's arrogance continues..." and people reply with, "he's just being honest."

what is that? an aside?

no, it's people stating a case against the idea he's arrogant, ergo arguing it can't be arrogance if it's honesty.

it is my, and others, opinion he's being arrogant because of the way I have construed quotes. I am not obliged to deconstruct why I think it's arrogant, it's merely the impression I get. if I say this and someone comes back with "he's just being honest." then I take that as them arguing that honesty precludes arrogance.

sorry, you may not be saying this but many other posters are. Why you're choosing to argue on their behalf I don't know but you are, so at least be aware of what they've said.

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