posted Jan 7, 2009

If we lose KP we had better invent another game as our cricket will be knocked back behind Bangladesh. Moore should have gone when Kevin took over as captain.

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posted Jan 7, 2009

From the outset KP was a big head wallowing in his glory. Star player but never a captain ( how much experience as a captain has he?) All the good captains were non assuming steady characters. You would have thought the ECB would have learnt from the Botham disaster as captain.
I don't know what effect KP will have on the team now, but I expect he will be in the background stirring it.
Strauss remember is also a South African by birth but luckily left before the SA psyche had time to develop. I lived there for 4 years and they all act like spoilt little school boys. Peter Moores, difficult, if he had KP snapping at his heals all the time it may have affected his performance, but that then asks the question is he srong enough.

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posted Jan 7, 2009

Have to say agree with steviegen. Pieterson went public and threw his toys out of the pram because he didn't get his own way. Captain leads the team but shouldn't dictate who does what where and when. Pieterson is not teh first non English captain of the national team - that shouldn't be an issue. Don't see a place for Vaughan's reinstatement. He has not displayed sufficent form to merit selection. I am dismayed that one player is allowed to dominate the headlines. Cricket is after all a team game. One last htought. Talk of affecting teh ahses is rubbish. Any player who cannot raise his game for t eh ashes shouldn't be playing in the first instance.

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posted Jan 7, 2009

One thing, I dont agree that you have to have experience to be a good captain. Graeame SMith is a prime example. Using another sport, Will Carling. Your captain needs to be a certain type of person and a player who the selectors think will be guaranteed a starting place. All three were in that position. KP didnt do a lot wrong as a skipper from what I could gather, however, he was stupid to make public his dissatisfactions. THey are best kept behind closed doors. Also, he shouldnt have been sat in S Africa, whether he leaked the problems or not, letting all and sundry know he had issues.

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posted Jan 7, 2009

Of course he was right

Captain KP & England probably would never work.

South African KP with Southern Hemisphere winning mentality vs Conservative ECB with it's "the taking part that counts old bean" attitude was doomed.

England is not ready for this type of captain

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posted Jan 8, 2009

Well, he's gone. The last five months will look like a dream, and if only Strauss had been given the job in the first place...

I'm sorry and angry for everyone involved, if that makes sense.

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posted Jan 9, 2009

Steiegen

You're right to say G Smith is a good example but for the wrong reasons. On appointment and for some time he was very poor as a Captain. It's mainly experience that has made him so much better.

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posted Jan 9, 2009

Johnnyfairplay

England not ready for this type of captain.

What about DB Close and R Illingworth.

I think Lord Hawke was the original some 90 - 100 years ago.

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posted Jan 9, 2009

Al..you could also add the man who thought up bodyline...Jardine.

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posted Jan 10, 2009

PEARLSASWINGER


You certainly could add Douglas Jardine.

To a lesser extent captains who 'did it their way' without perhaps experiencing so much trouble were Brearley, Fender, Chapman but that perhaps is a different discussion. They all,however,seemed to get their own way.

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