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by CricketBuster (U10783832) 23 December 2008
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..... how few English fans and Jonathan Agnew are deflecting criticism on Dhoni and Indian team when they should be talking about why England lost ODI series 5-0 and Test series 1-0. But for bad weather Test series result might have been 2-0 as well.

Jonathan Agnew during England's tour has been busy picking up on Indians and poor excuses rather than poor performance of English.

First ODI -> Agnew points towards fake injury of Yuvi and runner
Third ODI -> Agnew points to Bad light and D/L method
Fourth ODI -> Agnew points to D/L method again

Second Test -> Agnew points to slow batting of Indians forgetting England's negative bowling.

Still kudos to England for putting up a decent fight in Tests and well played Indian team , now its time to win in NZ.

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posted Dec 23, 2008

England should now focus on what really and only the one isue that matters for England - that's Ashes - even england maybe at the bottom of the table - but playing Ashes is the only one that matters

Aussies maybe a losing side, but playing them alone matters - Hayden, Lee are on decline, so there's no thrill playing Aussies for Indian audience, but playing Aussies alone matters for England

now the question - england plays a series of teams that abound with pie-chuckers - New Zealand, West Indies, Bangladesh - wins against these teams in reciprocal tours will bring England to 4th spot in ICC table - then england will once again start becoming complacent and refuse to raise the bar - Coz playing ashes alone matters

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posted Dec 23, 2008

But isn't Tendulkar a once in a generation batsman? And why should Warne and McGrath's brilliance be dismissed? I don't understand your point nm2878. The Australians had some amazing players - some of the best ever (don't forget Gilchrist as well). I don't understand the philosophy though that means they cannot be included in discussions about what constitutes a great team.

It's a bit like saying that the Brazilian teams that won the World Cups of football with Pele were not really that good because he was part of the team. Or the same with the Argentinian team with Maradona. Or the French team with Zidane. What's the point of dismissing these great players from a discussion?

You should try and be less one-eyed nm2878 and accept that the current Indian Test team are not perfect and that they could (should?) have done better in this match against England. Or at the very least they should have tried to win the match. Until they really push the boundaries in Test cricket then no real fan of the game will call them the number one side in world cricket. They are simply competing with 3-4 other teams to be called the second-best side.

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posted Dec 23, 2008

Ozzy read my comments again. I said Indian strength is batting and not bowling. Tendulkar is a great batsman not a great bowler.

When there was score to chase they did chase it but they obviously dont have confidence in their bowling yet to bowl out sides inside 50 overs.

Whats wrong with that .... everyone plays to their strengths. But I guess people still want to find mistakes without reasons. The criticism is similar to any football team who goes on defensive/safety for last 10 mins because they are already leading.

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posted Dec 23, 2008

The criticism is simply an expression of disappointment in the Indian team. Those of us who love Test cricket are disappointed to see a potentially great side such as India simply settle for a draw. They should be striving for more. They have the talent but obviously not the will.

Until they develop the courage to try and win Tests such as this one, then they will continue to be viewed only as a very good team. There is nothing wrong with that I suppose. But they will never be viewed as a great team like the West Indies under Clive Lloyd, the Australian sides of the past 15 years, or what is looking like being recognised as a great South African side at the moment under Smith.

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posted Dec 23, 2008

I think Dhoni should have declared after the 1st drinks and it was pointless to continue there after. As media and pundits Dhoni's captaincy today he showed how negative he was and his captaincy will be certainly tested away from home.

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posted Dec 23, 2008

Ozzy i think you should blame weather then which ate up around 90 overs.

India still need bowlers who have capability as marshall or mcgrath or holding or warne. india bowling attack is good but not great.

you can call it courage i will call it playing to strengths.

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posted Dec 23, 2008

Jonathan Agnew is turning into a grumpy old man - all he does is whine and moan. 90 overs were lost to the weather, that is the only reason this test was drawn.

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posted Dec 23, 2008

To be fair Ozzy, a lot of fans in India are disappointed at the end of the last test. I think Dhoni missed a trick here. I do not know how his mind works, but from what little I have seen of him he is pretty ruthless and looks at what gets him to a win. On the fifth day you needed someone a wee bit romantic to make a go of a game.

Maybe he will develop that. But if him being ruthless can get India more wins then I will not exactly mind smiley. Though I can see how the opposition may find it irritating.

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posted Dec 23, 2008

as an English fan i have to say its a shame we didnt have a real chance to bat at a high score with at least a bit of a decent bit of time left. though i have to say i'd have probably done the same thing in India's position, but its still a shame!

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posted Dec 23, 2008

I said in their heyday.

I don't think anyone is silly enough to believe Australia are playing at the same level as their recent best.

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