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SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE

by ipunchhard (U7693850) 20 December 2008
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valuev vs holyfield.

That is crazy. don't know what to say. thoughts?

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comment by Ray (U1655331)

posted Dec 22, 2008

No Ray, they aren't, but what it gives you is an indication of who has landed the more punches, power punches, jabs etc. As I intimated, it gives you an insight into how the fight went and bascially, the punch stats. Whether one guy marched forward or not doesn't matter, who landed the most punches? If you read my article, I alude to the fact that someone may land better quality punches but fewer punches and deserve the nod, fair enough. But in that fight, Valuev was not asserting himself in a close fight and for that reason, the more accurate puncher should win, and I would reiterate that you score a fight on the most punches landed.

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I'd say Holyfield clearly won 2 rounds, and Valuev clearly won 2 rounds. The rest could be scored either way. In those 2 rounds Holyfield landed some decent combinations which raised his punch count, but the fight is scored round by round so punch totals are pretty irrelevant. Yes Holyfield was the more accurate puncher, but Valuev was the agressor (compared to Holyfield).

IMO the 'robbery' cries are just a big over-reaction.

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posted Dec 22, 2008

the heavyweight division is a joke
theres only 1 good fighter at heavyweight and hes really a cruzerweight, David Haye
no one else can compete with him

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This is a bit harsh on the Klitschko brothers, who are both very good boxers. The thought of the haymaker taking on one of those is mouth watering??

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comment by JobyJak (U5992775)

posted Dec 22, 2008

Holyfield won that fight.

No matter what people think about him fighting, fact is he won that fight and should now be the WBA Champion, and could've retired with his head held high. The scoring was a farce.

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posted Dec 22, 2008

comment by Ray_Jones_jr (U1655331)
posted 3 Hours ago

I'd say Holyfield clearly won 2 rounds, and Valuev clearly won 2 rounds. The rest could be scored either way. In those 2 rounds Holyfield landed some decent combinations which raised his punch count, but the fight is scored round by round so punch totals are pretty irrelevant. Yes Holyfield was the more accurate puncher, but Valuev was the agressor (compared to Holyfield).

IMO the 'robbery' cries are just a big over-reaction.
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I agree with Ray, finally somebody writing here who knows something about boxing. The rest are football fans with no idea about boxing. Of course the decision was ok, although a draw would have been justified also, but never ever a win for Evander. The problem was that with so few punches in most of the rounds it was difficult to say who won those rounds: the one who landed 2 weak punches and was all the time running away or the one who landed 1 weak punch but at least was facing his opponent? From the last 6 rounds Holyfield did not win more than 1, maybe none. I think Valuev won 5-6 rounds and Holyfield 3 or 4. But the most important thing: please no rematch of this worst WC fight in boxing history!!!

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comment by JobyJak (U5992775)

posted Dec 22, 2008

Is Dan Rafel, Chief Boxing Writer for ESPN a "football fan with no idea about boxing"?

Check out his article, the current main headline on the ESPN(Boxing) website.

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comment by JobyJak (U5992775)

posted Dec 23, 2008

Holyfield would've needed to floor the big Russian to steal the win.
The workrate of both was poor and so in the end a fair decision as you have to seriously outbox an incumbent champion to win on points.
It's insulting for boxing that the WBA champ has a 50-1 record and boxes so poorly.
Haymaker should clear up the division.

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comment by JobyJak (U5992775)

posted Dec 23, 2008

"The workrate of both was poor and so in the end a fair decision as you have to seriously outbox an incumbent champion to win on points."

Did you actually watch the fight?

Valuev could not hit Holyfield because he was constantly moving and Holyfield did all the clean work, I admit it was sporadic, but it was the only clean work in the fight. This was one of the most shambolic decisions I have ever witnessed. Even in the post fight interviews, Valuev's team all but admitted it was fixed.

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posted Dec 24, 2008

comment by united_legend (U13755127)
posted 2 Days Ago

the heavyweight division is a joke
theres only 1 good fighter at heavyweight and hes really a cruzerweight, David Haye
no one else can compete with him

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Don't be stupid what about the klitschko brothers.

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posted Jan 3, 2009

wid rather watch a couple of flyweights knockin hell out each other

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