posted Dec 9, 2008

I never said Jol didnt do a terrific job! He was harshly sacked, but while he is ok, I don't personally rate him as a top top manager.

Allardyce left Newcastle in 13th...well you have just confimred my point, mid table. Better off than currently...

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posted Dec 9, 2008

I dont think it was where he left them, is Sunderland and the toon win their next 2 games, then we will both be in the top 12, that does not mean the Sbragia is a good manager or kinnear is either.

I am pretty sure Sam was in charge when the Toon capitualted in the 1st 15 minutes or so to pompey and they conceded 4 goals in that time, I think that was the turning point, just like keanes turning point was the 1-4 reversal to Bolton.

Difference is Keane walked, Sam had to get pushed.

I quite like what sam done for Bolton, and no offence to Bolton but he took them as far as he could, I dont want to be seen as a wum or anything on here, but to me, Sunderland is a lot bigger club that Bolton will ever be, its just we have had a rubbish run over the past decades.

I just do not think sam is what we need at this moment in time, its not the style of play, its just not what i think we need, I just do not think it will work at all, the pressure will be to great, now if thats the fans fault, so be it, some expect miracles, others are more realistic.

I do not want sam, but then i have no idea who these other 50 applicants are from around the world, so Sam may very well be the best of a bad bunch.

If we do get sam though, I will support him and give him time, its just at this moment in time, where Sunderland are poised (either relegation or top half, whichever way you look at it) I just dont think it is the correct time for someone like Big Sam to take over.

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posted Dec 9, 2008

As a Bolton fan I think you would be foolish to turn down big sam as your manager - what he did 'behind the scenes' as well as on the pitch has ultimately meant Bolton, with some good fortune along the way, will remain a mid-premiership side. He put all the processes in place that mean we now operate as an effiecent top flight team - something neither sunderland nor newcastle seem to able to consistently achieve. No real offence meant to geordies or macams in particular - dont have any delusions of grandure, you may have a bigger fanbase but you are by no means an established premiership side like Bolton. Allardyce would change that and who knows maybe take you further than he did Bolton. If playing route one football under Allardyce means you have an opportunity to win things, get in Europe and turn up every week and watch your team win - you cant really argue with that in my opinion.

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posted Dec 9, 2008

Sunderland are deep in the mire, a huge squad which isn't performing, a huge support which is very dis-illusioned and a board which has allowed the previous manager to spend all of its cash. You may find a "decent" manager unwilling to come! Allardyce will be perfect for the job of motivating the players to overcome a relegation battle. The football may not be pretty, but what do you prefer pretty football in the Championship or dreary football in the Premiership? Give me the Premiership everytime!

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posted Dec 9, 2008

There are three key elements in the makeup of a Good football manager,

1. - Character, He has to command respect from the players, the media, the directors and the fans. He must communicate well at all levels.

2, - Tactical foot balling skills, to mould the available players into the right formation and to give clear playing instructions and responsibilities to each. A clarity of purpose. Who does what.

3. - Man Management skills, he must be ‘in touch’ with the individuals that make up the team, ‘I treat everyone the same’ approach is a recipe for discontent. ‘Different strokes for different folks’ Sometimes a manager will display natural man management skills, but most would benefit from specialised training.

Which of the current Football managers exhibit these 3 skills and who are those who can only match in two of the disciplines?

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posted Dec 9, 2008

I think we need a manager who has had successful spells with football teams in britain and/or understands sunderland, Curbishley, Houlier, Brown or Grant.

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posted Dec 9, 2008

After the debacle of the Sunderland's fans "support" of Keane I have decided not to make a rod for my own back by supporting or dismissing any manager, rather look at the facts.

Allardyce has far surpassed any Sunderland managers achievements in a similar period of time.

Do not be influenced by them along the road, Allaradyce did the best with the squad he had available plyaing to limited strengths.

He did well with an eclectic mix at Bolton, the squad is not disimilar to our own.

The decision is up to the board, lets not be naive and think they will be swayed by fans opinions.

Lets not box ourselves into a corner by dismissing managers - what happens if Allardyce is appointed - it will be the Keane scenario all over again, with protestators not backing the club.

Also, lets keep our feet on the ground, talk of Ericsson, Van Gaal, Hiddink etc is not ambitious, its non sensical.

We want a proven Premiership manager who keeps clubs in this division, establish ourselves and then take us on again.

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posted Dec 9, 2008

Do not be influenced by them along the road, Allaradyce did the best with the squad he had available plyaing to limited strengths.

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Roker

That is just wrong

Allardyce played boring, percentage, long ball football at Newcastle.

A strikeforce of Owen and Martins is NOT suitable for lumping 50 yard balls!

He did the same as he did at Bolton, but had totally wrong players for, the players at Newcastle were far better technically than Boltons.

He also spent a fortune on awful signings

Smith
Barton
Cacapa
Rozenhal

Cost 17m between them, 1 of them has already gone, 1 has scored a single goal, 1 is Brambles inspiration and the other spends more time in prison than on a pitch

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posted Dec 9, 2008

i think evry1 doubts sam allardyce
he was one who brought bolton from being a mediocre division 1 side to a uefa cup playing premiership side
He also made several good signings there and brought the best out of them
yes he didnt do a good job at newcastle but who has done a good job at newcastle after him?
nd wots bolton done without him?
prove my point

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posted Dec 9, 2008

He's proved he's 1 trick pony

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