posted Dec 10, 2008

Wow how uneducated some guys on here are. Froch wins a world title by not fighting a world champion and all of a sudden he is superman, give me a break. He did well the other night and it was a good fight. Fight being the operative word cos boxing skills and savvy was well missing. Have any of you guys ever actually boxed or even studied the sweet science. I doubt it especially those who think JC is running scared of Froch DOH. I mean the ignorance is ridiculous. Just cos a guy can bang a bit and fight does not mak him a great boxer.
Lets do the maths Froch fight experience european and british level only. Not fought anyone we really known not even for world championship.
Then we have JC who as fought at all levels against names we do no and contrary to popular belief are not past it Unified all the belts in his own division, moves up to light heavy then beats the premier light heavy in BHop. Bhop just wiped the floor with a much more established and seasoned fighter than froch. So the idea he is past it is total nonsense.
JC is now the ring magazines number 2 p4p, an american magazine by the way, and Im pretty sure they know a lot more about the fight game than you guys .
Now lets look at styles shall we!

Froch: Flat footed, no head movement , almost no defence, moves back and forward in straight lines((very amateurish). As reasonable power a good Jab and uppercut. Basically though very one dimensional, and extremely lacking in championship fight experience. Adding to that he fights on nerves,loads up on his punches. He is a bit lazy his workrate isnt great and he seems to tire quite easily.
Now lets look at Joe extremely experienced and has always found a way to win . Good jab , fast hands , great footwork. Lots of head movement and good defence. Give lots of angles confusing hi opponents and aslo hitting from many different angles. Very slippery and wiley fighter. He is in and out fast, fast feet and very fast hands. Has lots of lateral movement and almost super human work rate and stamina.
Ok guys so know ya know 1 and 1 make 2 do the maths. I have given you the numbers , do they add up to froch being any kinda danger to Joe, an emphatic no!
So do yaselfs a favour 1 dont let your heart rule your head. 2 A good fight doesn't mean a great fighter. 3 give credit where credits due and 4 study the art a bit more before you spout nonsense.
Having said that I am not downing on froch and it was a great fight on saturday, he might even one day be a great fighter, but he is not good enough not even close to beating Joe.
Now go home get yaslef a boxing manual , go to a club leran a bit more about the fight game then ya won't look like a fool again next time!

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posted Dec 10, 2008

Hmmmm....Calzaghe won a vacant title too, so I guess that blows that one out of the water??

Look, the whole point of my previous post was to highlight the fact that most boxers have their careers carefully managed...because there are so many tinpot titles on offer, a fighter can simply win one of those, and then carve out a career making pointless defences, whilst avoiding his true contempories.

The only way Boxing can ever redeem itself, is if the various bodies somehow come together at regular points, and hold unification contests....It would help stop the farcical situation where a guy like Calzaghe can hold a single title for almost 9 years, and yet still be allowed to go around boasting he is the best, even though there are 4 or 5 other title holders with similar claims.

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posted Dec 10, 2008

Calzaghe won the vacant title by beating a world class fighter in eubank so nothing is blown outa the water, or are ya saying no one knew who eaubanks was! The reason Joe didn't get the big fights as no one wanted a piece of him. Reasons being he was not well known enough to risk there title against and boxing politics, do you think joe and the fighter he is with the belief he has as been hiding away from other fighters. He has been calling out jones and Bhop for years but they weren't interested till he beat kessler and lacy. Why cos now it was a money fight cos Joe had just become a name at last. Kessler was a 2 belt world champion when he eventually got beat by Joe and has since then is a world champ again, testament to how good kessler is. The fact that Joe couldnt get the big fights has not been his fault, that joe only had the WBO bauble probably didn't help either.
So you are basically making assumtions about Joes situation as if he has been picking is fights which is basically ignorant of the real facts. Joe nearly had BHop signed up well before the lacy fight but he pulled out last minute demanding more money.
So your pessimism isn't warranted needed or actually based on hard facts only naive assumtions. So give credit where credits due . we finally have a world class fighter who has beat everyone put infront of him and muppets like yaself just talk smac!

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posted Dec 10, 2008

'Talk smac'??....Hello Mr Chav!!

As for beating Eubank??...It was 1997, and Eubank hadn't put up a decent performance against anybody for about 5 years ( a scraped draw with Benn being about his best).

Fighting Eubank WAS NOT a big risk, and indeed, if it was Warren wouldn't have let him near him.

I'd just like to say that I don't dislike Calzaghe...I rate him very highly, I just find it frustrating that he wasted so long fighting bum after bum, instead of taking the risk, and going to the US sooner...I mean, TOCKER PUDWILL!!??!!

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posted Dec 11, 2008

Those people you call bums are actually boxers, warriors who have the balls to get in the ring and fight infront of thousands of people, and that my friend takes guts. Tell me how many times have you been in the ring? And although you have picked Tucker Pudwell , you fail to remember Byron Mitchell, richie Woodhall, Charles brewer,Robin Reid, Mario Veit. Just cost they arn't american doesn't make them bad only if you believe the US hype. If you look at every champion there is and has been they all have plenty of what you in you disrespect call bums on their resume. Joe loius and mohammed ali both had bum of the month lists. You can always find those especially if thats what you look for . And that also goes for life, you will always find what you seek. So maybe its time to shift your perspective and stop being such a synic!
namaste

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posted Dec 11, 2008

Calzaghe is a great fighter, he had the wrong promoter from a fans point of view. Warren provides boxing for non boxing fans who believe they are seeing the greatest match ups of all time, Warren is at his worst with the armchair ITV audience! Amir Khan is the biggest single demonstration of how to do it right from a commercial point of view and wrong from a boxing performance point of view (either way Warren got his money and we now know given his vulnerability that Warren made his money the safest way with Amir). I mean did we really learn so much more about Khan after his destruction of an Irish schoolteacher at the weekend - he looked like the same old Amir Khan to me, a bit slower and less rushed maybe but still quite able to be caught, just not by 'slow as a snail' Fagan. I think the point with a lot of these issues is that with the number of fights Calzaghe has had, he has relatively few decent, in their prime fighters on his record. Same with Khan, he has had (can`t recall exactly) 20 odd fights and is basically no further forward than when he turned pro ???

In relation to Froch, I think the difference is he has also had 20 odd fights, but is now a valid world champion and has the ability to build a decent legacy. If Froch fought another 20 fights to get to the total number Calzaghe has had I bet he would fill it with bigger and better names than Warren allowed Calzaghe to do. Even if Froch lost a few of those fights he would still have some great wars and probably some great wins which we would recall in years to come.

It comes back to what matters most, being undefeated or taking the biggest challenges without a care for your record !

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posted Dec 11, 2008

Hmmm food for thought but what some people don't reaslise is that boxing is not just a sport but also a living for these fighters. So if giving your man a few more fights to improve thier profile and put money in the bank will help pay a wage and give them a living then why the hell not.The other aspect is that thye are alos learning, although I must say Khan hasn't had many of those! The fights Joe had pre lacy have still been very good leaning fights that have helped joe perfect his style whilst learning how to adapt to others. The problem with a lot of fans and the boxing public is they don't want to wait for thier man to learn and improve they want him in with the best now. Im sorry folks but its thier ass on the line and how they go about there career is up to them. You don't go straight into building a house as soon as you become a brickie do ya. Joe did fight some good fighters, very close to world class and some world class fighters before Lacy. You may have a point with warren, but he has helped some fighters do very well. The fact is they don't have to stay with him there are many promoters out there. And they do have some say on who they fight. The thing is now we are losing track of the debate the whole debate was from my point of view, and of the original post was could froch beat clazaghe and the indisputable fact is absolutely no! I have given the reasons in my earlier post, if you disagree then give your reasons. And please kep them to boxing ability not what Joe has or has not done in the past as that is irrelivent! good day!

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posted Dec 11, 2008

Modernavatar - he fought Eubank and Veit - Both of whom were the closest anyone could call world class - then he fought more fighters well beneath his level and struggled to impress.

His record is cr.ap - simple as that. Few people are judged on talent - His talent should have put him on the list of legends and may still. But don't sugarcoat his record by saying he fought many world class fighters.

I don't care whether he ducked or was ducked.

This a simple look at Calzaghes Record. Which shows many decent and few world class opponents.

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posted Dec 11, 2008

Calzaghe is arrogant, he goes on about being so great beating Hopkins and Jones, two legends. Yeh they were legends about 10 years ago, he didn't prove much in those fights, if anything, he proved he's becoming more vulnerable going down in the 1st round both times.

Joe Calzaghe said Jones Jnr was washed up about two years ago. Then all of a sudden when he's fighting him he says he's still a legend and a world class fighter.

Froch has a great chin, is an UPCOMING fighter and is now a big name, especially in Britain. Joe Calzaghe knows that Carl Froch would be a tough fight and therefore he's making excuses for not fighting him.

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posted Dec 11, 2008

yes modernavator sorry, I did go off track a touch and apologies to everyone for mentioning Frank Warren, I hope you all recover soon.

I still reckon that Froch stands as damn near 50:50 chance against JC.

Just reckon that JC is now ready to be taken. A few said it around the time of Lacy but that was rubbish. The one thing that makes me think it is the 1st round knockdowns and the showboating.

I`d like Froch to go looking for big names now, win, lose or draw he could take us back to Eubank and Benn type of fights....trouble is, if he does it probably disappears off ITV asap as money talks.

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