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by sammyp_101 (U13727405) 04 December 2008
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Well if anyone if wondering why Honda is unable to carry on competing in f1 it is one main reason. What has every team apart from Honda got? Sponsorship on the car! They must be loosing around 50 to 60 million pounds a year and that is a reason that their costs have been so high compared with the other manufacturer teams.

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comment by Red_5 (U1579027)

posted Dec 5, 2008

Mr Creosote

I think Honda did say they will not make engines either.

With Mclaren, they are in a better situation, yes Mercedes does own apart of Mclaren but if they did get into real trouble they would simply sell there stake, and Mclaren would have to find another engine supplier.

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comment by 355gts (U4324385)

posted Dec 5, 2008

What's interesting is Max's comment re: single engines. What he actually said (according to the BBC) is that teams would be able to design their own version of a single engine, or continue with their current designs restricted to ensure they had no advantage.

It seems a climb down from the strict single engine everyone first thought about.

In this case it makes sense to cut costs. Personally, a bit of sponsorship for Honda wouldn't have gone amiss. However, if Honda have just spent nearly 300m on a car that someone else can buy and race next year for around 40-50m then that's a bargain! Get a few big sponsors in and it's well worth a look if you're loaded. All this could be a good thing, press the reset button back to the early 90's when there were independents along with the manufacturers. It could make F1 romantic again instead of the big business approach. I hope honda find a buyer. My money's on Prodrive.

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posted Dec 5, 2008

If ever a guy's career has been cursed with being in the wrong place at the wrong time, that guy is Jensen Button

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posted Dec 5, 2008

www.myf1dream.com will be able to help honda with the helpful hand of pro drive and david richards

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comment by Lettis (U2637776)

posted Dec 5, 2008

I guess there's no turning the clock back to the 60's 70's and 80's but F1 needs to find it's roots again - the independents made it so exciting and accessible (Hesketh, Surtees, Hill) and of course the classics such as BRM, Lotus, Matra. There were names in the 80's and early 90's that formed the basis of many of the latest teams (Jordan, Stewart Racing etc etc).

I must say I lost interest when it just became BMW or Renault or Honda - Ferrari have always been there (but how long can Fiat afford it now?). Perhaps the (hopeful) demise of corporate hostility will give Joe Public access to the race track and paddocks again

As all the other formula will be impacted by the recession, F1 could still be the best without spending zillions - perhaps it's time for motorsport in general to think about the true purpose and ideals of the sport ....

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posted Dec 5, 2008

Does it really take 800 people to form a team who come last in F1? Sounds a bit crazy to me. I could achieve the same on roller skates. I feel sorry for the people who could lose their jobs, but the expense of running a F1 team is insane.

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posted Dec 5, 2008

I just can't believe all these positive comments 'If only I had a spare pound'; "what a cheap way to enter F1" etc:
Where is 'sir' Stirlings dosh given such a great deal? as well as the other 'wuzzords'.
Face the fact 'petrol-heads', F1 as it operates at the moment is over.
Make the most of 2009 as it will be your last!

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comment by kw300i (U13727430)

posted Dec 5, 2008

i think fernando will beat lewis next year

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posted Dec 6, 2008

I understand that times are hard and could become worse but very disappointed in Honda's decision to close their F1 operation especially as Ross Brawn has promised good things for next season and if anyone can do it he is the man.
I can understand recent previous results must have soured top brass at Honda but sometimes you just have to have a little faith.
I am sure the way Honda have acted might have actually damaged their image (what happened to the dream) as a leading car manufacturer in world markets and this action will possibly just add to the credit crunch effect with future Honda car sales world-wide.
It is really great to see the amount of optimism coming from the team, however I would like to see Jenson Button offer his services for next year at a sensible cost to assist the sale. Then it would be really great to see the new mark, whatever the new owners want the team to be called, do really well in the next years WDC.
Good luck to the team in there quest for a serious new owner and I would love to see top executives on the Honda board, when the team excels next year.
PS At this difficult time it would be nice to see Bernie put something back into a sport that has made him a multi billionaire over the good years (Don't panic it might even be tax deductible).

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posted Dec 6, 2008

That ps. gave me an idea. Why don't they (meaning Fry Braun etc,) form a consortium and buy the club, then pay for the operating costs by bringing in some wealthy investors (There are after all still plenty left. There's four in the team itself at the moment)to put in a few million apiece. One that comes immediately to mind is Richard Branson. Heck, he just loves any kind of risk sport and, I think would lap up being part of a Formula One team. Get ten or twenty like him and they'd be well on their way. Then get after the advertisers. As one guy said, Honda threw away a fortune on their crazy green idea.
One last part of the deal could be that they, plus Jensen and Rubens, if he stays, compete in the first half of the season for free and the regular staff work for half wages. After all, if they believe in this car so much, that wouldn't be a sacrifice at all in the end.
All that's needed at Brackley is a bit of initiative and creative thinking.

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