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Why the Bokke will beat England

International South Africa
by the_fundi (U13018962) 18 November 2008
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Sure, the Springboks have not been on form in their end of year internationals so far, but they have managed to salvage wins in their respective matches.

The Springboks have not had very good results in their end of year tours this century, but with this year's team, they seem to have more quality in the team. They have experienced youngsters in Burger, Juan Smith, etc.; who will go up against rookies who are of the same age as them. The Bokke should outlast and outsmart the England challenge.

The Boks have been very inconsistent this year, but their performances this season have proved that behind a slack performance by the Boks, they are due a big performance. This has been proved in their emphatic victory over Wales in their first international of the season, follwed by a dip in form, a win in Dunedin vs The ALl Blacks, and another dip in form, and a thrashing of the Wallabies in Coca Cola Park (Ellis Park). This should not be ignored, as the Boks have been infuriatingly sub-par during this tour, and with England being their final fixture of the tour, the Boks should let off steam, and give a performence worthy of their billing as World Champions.

The individual duels, which I do not expect to be in abundance come Saturday, should be won by the Bokke as well. The pack of forwards of both England and SA have powerful players, but the Boks have the experience to add on to. The Bok scrum is stronger than it was last year, and it should give England something to think about. The Wallabies showed that the England scrum is not as powerful as it is reputed, and with the expected Boks front row of Beast, Smit, and Mujati, of whom the props scrummed down against the very same Wallaby front row in the Tri Nations, it could prove to be a tight contest.

Matfield and Bakkies Botha should dominate the line outs. They have lined up together for over 40 tests as a lock combination and they compliment each other brilliantly in their respective plays. Juan Smith and Pierre Spies, with the gigantic Andries Bekker, Kankowski, and Danie Rossouw will be the other Bok line out options in the 22, and they are all phenomenal in this aspect of the game. England may regret leaving Nick Kennedy on the bench.

The victor of the Cipriani and Pienaar duel could be determined by the scrumhalves of the respective teams. Danny Care was not as crisp in his service against the Wallabies, and Ricky Januarie thrives on pressurizing his opposing number. Care may be in for a pressure-filled day, which will allow Pienaar to thrive in his game. Pienaar is more experienced than Cipariani as a player, but is relatively new to flyhalf. His recent move to his new position hasn't hampered him so far on tour, and will not do so in this game. Pienaar is a vastly talented player, who can easily resort from a running game to a tactical game. His advantage is his BMT.

The Bok backline looks better than England's on paper, and they have an in form centre partnership. SHould the Bokke nullify the potential threat of Riki Flurey, the England backline will be little on ideas with Noon at outside centre. The Bok backline has been in good form this season, but questions over Habana's form persist. The positional and place kicking of the Bokke is also superior, and England will regret every penalty they concede, as Pienaar and Francois Steyn have a long range with the boot.

The game on Saturday will be a great test of both England and SA's character, but with the Springboks having unspectacular victories so far on tour, and with their vastly experienced, but young squad, they should outlast England.

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posted Nov 19, 2008

They wont win!!!!
SA always raise the level of play when they play against a good team - go back and look on avr how well weve played against avr teams we always think we will win with ease and end up falling on our head!!!!!
Please believe me come sat the Bokke will have a different mind set and they will go out with a different attitude and show Eng what they made of!!!!!

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posted Nov 19, 2008

[Spring]bokke - Afrikaans plural of Springbok.
[Spring]Bok - singular, one springbok
Boks - English (sort of) plural of springbok.
(If being pedantic, english version should be springbucks I guess)

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posted Nov 19, 2008

If England win that will be seen as a bonus to MJ as the real issue is to create a winning squad. What England need is a referee who is capable of actually reacting to what he is looking at rather than deciding England are doing something wrong. We will also never win substantively if Noon is in and Flood or Tait or Hipkiss or anybody is not playing! All winning teams are dynamic in contact and when passing. Simple really.

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posted Nov 19, 2008

goya - I think its a bit off base to be suggesting that Wales are NOT a good team.
South Africa have just played them and spent the entire second half on the back foot.
But for that lucky interception try they were a well beaten side, by a good side!
England are not an equal to Wales currently in my view.
They haven't beaten Wales in Cardiff since 2003, and the English side currently is not looking like they are going to, especially when you consider Wales are now competing with the top sides, still short of four or five first choice players!

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posted Nov 19, 2008

no one said Wales are not a good side i was talking in general and going way back, but besides that we did score an intecept try but then again Pienaar dropped the ball in the in goal so it evens it out i guess.....and our defence must of been fairly good not to let Wales score a try

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posted Nov 20, 2008

The problem with the scrum is that the hight difference between sheridan and mears is too great. when they bind sheridan is bent over and this causes a problem at the engagement. His head is bowed at the engagement and his drive is therefore down. They need a taller hooker at scrum time full stop.these tow props where at their best when thompson was in between them. As for the other problem, the line out, how do we concure the best line out in the world? I know lets leave one of our best line out jumperson the bench, and well send the best in the country back to London Irish...........after all they need the possession............or has the owner phoned Johnno and had a go over stealing Smith!!!!!!!

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posted Nov 20, 2008

utang - interesting point you're raising there about Sheridan.
He is a converted lock and therefore not the most technical prop around - just a lot of power.
It has implications for the Lions next summer also if he is in the running for loosehead.
At the moment I would say Gethin Jenkins and Euan Murray are the props in the pole position so no worries.
But should Sheridan start shredding a few Test front rows on a regular basis this season then the Lions will have to think about a hooker to put with him.
The Welsh ones will be no good for a start with the height differential.
Not sure about Ross Ford, Best or Flannery, but unless Hartley comes through Sheridan is as much of a problem at scrum time as a threat.
The Springboks at home are a different proposition.

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posted Nov 20, 2008

Bok Team for Sat...
1. Beast Mtawarira (9)
2. John Smit (capt) (80)
3. Jannie du Plessis (6)
4. Bakkies Botha (54)
5. Victor Matfield (79)
6. Schalk Burger (48)
7. Danie Rossouw (35)
8. Pierre Spies (18)
9. Ricky Januaries (33)
10. Ruan Pienaar (26)
11. Bryan Habana (45)
12. Jean de Villiers (45)
13. Adi Jacobs (20)
14. JP Pietersen (23)
15. Conrad Jantjes (23)

Reserves:

16. Chiliboy Ralepelle (2)
17. Brian Mujati (11)
18. Andries Bekker (12)
19. Ryan Kankowski (6)
20. Heinrich Brussow (-)
21. Frans Steyn (26)
22. Jaque Fourie (35)

Interesting after the discussion I had with MikeyPhil & TheFundi about Mujati/Beast combo being better that England’s front row.

As you can see above, Mujati stays on the bench and Jannie (Bismark’s brother) is flown out and put straight into the starting line-up. Does this mean Mujati is not ready and is there to fill a quota (I say quota because if Jannie is better then why was he left in SA???) or is he injured but still playing. Either or does that not mean PDV thinks Sheridan would over power him?

As per my argument before two, now three props with 26 caps between them, the captain who was injured/out of position most of the season. This is a slight opening for England.

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posted Nov 20, 2008

Warlord - just wondering whether this is the South Africans thinking ahead to the Lions tour.
They said in Wales that they were using this tour to prepare for the Lions next year.
Perhaps they don't want to show their hand too much at forward, particularly as they expect many of the English tight forwards to travel.
A key factor for the Boks over the Lions series will be dismantling the Lions scrum, so not giving too much away.
Smit has been playing prop, CJ is not even available for selection, no Steenkamp, Botha has been kept back in two games now.
Looks like they want to turn on the power again next summer!

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posted Nov 20, 2008

Just read Sheridan's out through a neck injury. That would explain his non presence last week.

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